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long beep, red triangle, "problem", can't reach Ready mode

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by mark010101, May 12, 2018.

  1. mark010101

    mark010101 Mark 04, 05, 08 Prius Owner

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    My son was driving my 2004 2nd gen Prius. As he was slowing down to turn there was a long beep, the red triangle appears, the screen says "problem", and the car was thrown into neutral and became unresponsive. Now the car will not boot into ready mode. When you try, the display flashes like it wants to boot up, I hear a series of relay clicks and then nothing. I can get it come up in the accessory mode (radio plays etc...). Since I cannot get it to ready mode, I cannot access the codes with the TechStream software.

    I have made sure the aux battery is fully charged working properly. I have checked the oil level and gas cap (saw a few posts about this). It did recently rain and the car was outside if this helps.

    I am clueless on how to proceed. Without being able to access the ECU codes what can be done to diagnose the problem? Thanks for your input.

    Additional info: The car has about 195K on it and the main battery has not been replaced. There was also strange odor when I got in the car (my son came in to get me immediately after the incident). It was hard to tell if it was hot electronics or the pulled pork my wife was transporting at the time in a crock pot :)
     
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    Mark,

    Have you tried pressing the start button twice (foot off brake). I believe that puts you in 'ignition on-engine off". I thought techstream would work in this condition. I may be wrong, as it's been a while since I've done anything not in "ready"
     
  3. mark010101

    mark010101 Mark 04, 05, 08 Prius Owner

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    Thank you for your response. Without pushing the brake pedal: Once: in aux mode and MFD lights up, can play radio, etc.. Twice: car tries to kick into Ready mode but fails. Display flashes briefly and a series of relay clicks can be hear. Whether once or twice, the power button light flashes amber.
     
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    Check if the am2 fuse is blown, that's located in the engine compartment fuse box
     
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    It is not necessary for the Prius to be READY to retrieve DTC. Try to use Techstream after pressing the POWER button twice from IG-OFF, and see if the laptop will establish communications with the car's ECUs.
     
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    That's unusual, because with your foot off the brake, the first button push puts the car in accessory mode, the second push will put it in IG-ON mode (no Hybrid System engaged) and a third push will put "all systems off". The hybrid system should never try to go "ready" unless your foot is on the brake when pressing the power button.
     
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    Yes! AM2 fuse is blown. But fuses blow for a reason. Any ideas. Thanks so much!
     
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    Good call, JC9
     
  9. mark010101

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    Patrick: Pressing the power button twice results in a temporary flash on the display and some relay clicks then nothing -- totally dead display. For either state I try to put it in, the TechStream software gives the error: "A communication error with Engine ECU occurred. Please confirm the Engine ECU is properly installed."

    We now know I have a blown AM2 fuse (thanks JC91006). Now to find out why.
     
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    Mark, there are three states of the ignition button:
    1 press. Green button light. This is IG-ACC powers on accessories.
    2 presses, Orange button light. This is IG-ON this powers on most of the ECUs and accessories, but does not allow the car to start. This state allows you to pull static DTC codes and information on TechStream.
    2 presses while brake pedal is pushed. IG-READY this powers on full ignition and will try and start the car. This will allow TechStream to pull static DTC codes and run active testing and recording.

    Let us know what DTCs you get from IG-ON. When you're in IG-ON also check if the inverter pump is running. (I think it runs when cold, can't remember). You can feel the small hose at the bottom of the fuse box in the front driver side of the engine compartment. Also make sure the coolant level for the inverter is full to the line. That's the capped pink reservoir in the middle of the engine compartment. You probably know all this but clarifying for those who read this later.
     
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    AM2 supplies inverter water pump motor

    and the Power Source Control ECU

    I would jump on checking the inverter water pump....it's pretty common
     
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    Perhaps I am confusing the sequence. My apologies. Foot off brake 1st push works and car goes into accessory mode, second push nothing (display briefly flashes and a series of relay clicks can be heard and then nothing). We now know I have a blown AM2 fuse (thanks JC91006). Now to find out why.
     
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    Hi John: The car never reaches the IG-ON mode so I cannot get the codes. We now know I have a blown AM2 fuse (thanks JC91006). Now to find out why. I will check the inverter coolant and pump (the inverter pump was replaced a number of years ago on a recall). Thank you.
     
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    TMR-JWAP: I will check the inverter pump. Perhaps I can bridge the AM2 fuse and unplug the inverter pump (in case it is shorted) to see if the car will go IG-ON mode so I can retrieve the error codes? I am always very nervous about by-passing a fuse because they blow for a reason. Does this sound like a thing to do?
     
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    No. Just unplug the pump and install a new fuse. Its 99% chance the pump motor blew the fuse. Hmmmm..that sounds just like what you said..lol

    There's 2 possibilities for the pump. Either it seized and drew a high current, blowing the fuse, or the motor shorted to ground and blew the fuse.
     
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    TMR-JWAP: Thanks. I will need to run up to the auto parts store to buy a fuse. I will get back to everyone with the out come.
     
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    You need to replace the pump or you'll just blow the fuse again. The pump shorted and fuse blew. Just replace pump and you'll be back on the road
     
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    I pulled the plug from the inverter coolant pump, replaced the AM2 fuse, and the car was able to boot into IG-ON mode. I collected the codes via the TechStream and here they are:
    • Hybrid Control: P0A1D and P3102
    • ABS/VSC/TRC: C1242
    • Immobiliser: B2795
    • Gateway: B1260 and B1271
    I still need to look these up. (We have company over at the moment for Mother's day and my wife is not happy I disappeared). Does anyone see anything in the codes that might indicate that it is not the inverter pump? Thanks so much!

    Note that I have already replaced the inverter pump under the recall a number of years ago. Are failures of these pumps common?
     
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    DTC P0A1D points to a fault with the hybrid vehicle ECU. However, I suggest you disconnect the 12V battery for a few minutes, then reconnect, to clear the existing DTC. Then try driving the Prius around for a short test drive (15 - 20 minutes only) while keeping the inverter coolant pump disconnected. See if any new DTC are logged.

    If yes, report what they are. In particular, if P0A1D is logged again, find out what the three digit info code associated with that is.
    If no DTC are logged after your short test drive, replace the inverter coolant pump, reconnect the wiring harness connector, and you should be good.

    It is not surprising that the inverter pump would fail although it had previously been replaced under recall.
     
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    Patrick: Great advice on isolating the problem. Thank you! Question: Is it better to disconnect the battery to clear the codes or to clear the codes via the TechStream SW?