Man Based Global Warming....

Misery loves company:
Public Praises Science; Scientists Fault Public, Media: Section 5: Evolution, Climate Change and Other Issues - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press

 

My 'fringe of the right wing' and 'extremist' views are born in those held by Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin and the sort. I feel I'm in pretty good company.

As for you, since you cannot hold your own in debating facts OR opinion, you run away with the last synaptic sputter of your retreating mind raving about the wilderness, Sarah, Mike and the minute men (sic).

Although it presently looks to be a grim future here in America with the statists in command, I'm sure the bulk of the citizenry will awaken to the real threat to liberty that they represent.

Meanwhile, the clueless drones will continue to march lockstep with the meaningless words progressive, hope and change leading them towards serfdom. They will harken to the call - Hurry, hurry, quickly, quickly, we must get it done NOW! Meanwhile their tiny brains fail to question WHY? WHY must we approve massive 1000 page bills that the legislature has not debated (OR EVEN READ). Why must they rubber-stamp the executive's will without a transparent review before the citizenry? We're supposed to be a government OF the PEOPLE, BY the PEOPLE and FOR the PEOPLE. These a holes in Washington are supposed to be OUR SERVANTS, NOT our masters. WAKE UP!

In the call to hurry, hurry, quickly, quickly, I hear the voice of Jim Jones leading his flock to drink the Kool-Aid before they've had time to realize they are commiting suicide. Or, if you're as historically challenged as I surmise, the voice of the car salesman telling you, "I can only offer you this deal today." You'll be suspicious of the car guy, but not the politician robbing you of your liberty. You should be ashamed, not proud of your ignorance.

Best of luck, indeed.

 

Fortunately, in most areas at least, science is driven by facts uncovered with honest inquiry, research, debate and finally, proof. Polls are of little value. It only takes one scientist to vanquish cherished beliefs, if the believers allow it.

Here are a couple of shockers:

There is no proof that carbon dioxide is a major factor causing warming of the earth.

There is no proof that life on earth arose through purely natural causes.

 

Ufourya, you are a pill. Decades of successive repub administrations trampling the separation of powers at the federal level, illegal use of the CIA for political gain, absurd use of executive privilege, ignoring magna carta principles, secret death squads, incarceration without limit or charges ...

None of this leads you to worry that your liberty is in jeopardy, but Obama has you trembling ? Excuse me while I continue to ignore your idiotic partisan screeching.

 

Feel free to apply science to your assertion that god made it.

Get back to us when you have a testable hypothesis, yes ?

Frankly, you being a god fearing, evolution smearing, climate change denying evangelical republican christian, don't you feel just a **little** bit silly lecturing us about science ?

After all, I don't assert that it has never been proven that god doesn't spend it's days in cross-dressing bars.

 

Your problem (well, the one I will address now) is that you jump to conclusions that are unwarranted.

I made two assertions that have nothing to do with God, being a Republican, evangelical Christian, evolution or climate change.

They are statements of fact.

Some scientists are so perplexed by the concept that life arose from mere matter, that they have propounded the theories of panspermia and directed panspermia (the latter not realizing, apparently ,that 'directed' implies intelligence).

What do you think? Do you subscribe to the theory that lightning strikes changed gases including hydrogen and methane into amino acids and they, in turn, formed primitive proteins that evolved into the original cell or living molecule?

Here are more shockers:

I believe in evolution. I am not a Republican, rather a conservative who leans toward Liberatarianism. The climate is always changing. I think much scripture from many religions is figurative and psychological. I do not take it literally. I do not believe that the cosmos was created in six literal earth days. Any serious reading of scripture will prove to the discerning that it literally, cannot be literal.

So, hone your reading and comprehension skills to include the possibility that someone with views different from yours isn't always going to fit in that neat little box your emotions have created for him (or her - that's for you, Icarus, lurking in the background there).

May God bless... and yes, It's always in those cross-dressing bars and the leather ones of which you are a habitue, too - as a possibility for higher (literally) education.

 

Warming oceans mean less cloud cover

 

Fibb,

What I found particularly interesting is from your link is,

"The findings are an example of a positive feedback loop — where the effects of climate change accelerate further change — and provide climate researchers with another piece of the puzzle in their attempt to track the effects of global warming."

The same feedback look that I was trying to describe with the earlier loss of snow cover affecting the albido in the north. I suspect that climate scientists have the hardest time modeling the possible effects of these feedback loops.

Icarus

 

Formation of complex amino acids, nucleotides and even small chains have been observed in the laboratory. RNA (a chain of nucleotides) has been shown to be enzymatic, the first step in replication. Thus the origin of life by inorganic means is entirely plausible.

Do you have a better idea that is based on observation rather than wishful thinking?

 

We need an energy revolution | Grist

 

Yes, positive feedback loops are numerous and scary and the real the crux of the problem! That's why we need to be prudent and slash CO2 and methane emissions asap.

 

'nuff said.

Ahh, one more:

 

"I am not a Republican, rather a conservative"

No matter how many times I hear it, this one still cracks me up. It's always the most zealous knuckle draggers that fully supported Dubya/Cheney/denialism/regressive policies/anti-science/business-always-gets-it-right/authoritarian agenda that make this claim. They align nearly 100% with the southern conservative Republican party, yet disavow the group they nearly universally take the side of. It is particularly funny since the GOP has purged moderates and liberals from its ranks in a push for ideolgical conservative purity.

Let's be brutally honest. The reason they disavow the Republican party is because the party has been losing elections, and because the actions of its leadership which they supported at the time have been such spectacular failures. It's far easier for Republican conservatives to blame the party and disown it than to recognize they might have carried their own beliefs to a ridiculous extreme and ideological failure.

Afterall, look at how stupid Cheney's "Energy Policy" (which conseratives LOVED and still espouse as part of the denialist movement) look now? It was bad for business. It was bad for U.S. competetiveness. It was an illogical transfer of wealth to our enemies, strengthening them with OUR money. It doesn't make any business sense, but business conservatives embraced it...and still do. And that's without even considering the ecological or moral issues. The moral aspect of greed, waste, and fouling the earth is something the religious right is surprisingly blind & deaf to...except when you realize their Christianity is really not, it is Old Testament conservative Judaism. Christ was one of those durned liberals. And of course that would make Him a socialist/communist/statist out to ruin the world.

Somehow these genius Republican business conservatives have concluded that being more efficient with resources and doing long term investment rather than lagging the pack is bad for business. These are of course the same clowns that engineered the largest financial collapse and recession since the Great Depression. But to hear them tell it, the answer is the same sort of no rules, get-rich-quick thinking that produced our most recent crisis, and that of the Great Depression as well...

 

You just have to read enough of christianity's defence of slavery to realize that progressive thought is not going to come from that camp.

As for christianity being circa 2000 year old judaism -- well, no one is around to dispute the notion

 

Actually it was a mixed bag. Slavery was condemned by many religious leaders, but not ones who stayed in the South--they were run off. Remember as well that there was quite a bit of rationalizing being done by religious leaders in the South. This included the more moderate Upper South view of a paternalistic relationship where slavery was considered a necessary evil for the time being. (Lee was among these.) The fire eaters in the Deep South were able to polarize things even more with a "for us or against us" approach, successfully playing the Upper South for dupes.

Religion tends to conform to societal norms at the time, especially when there is the level of economic dependence that slavery produced in the South.

Original Christianity was progressive, that is the irony.

 

My point exactly, although you express it much better, albeit more politely than I am want.

I say: where religion has to choose between influence or ethics, ethics will be bended every time.

 

It is funny that whenever I am yelled at about how Global Warming isn't real, it is always from a plumber, electrician, truck-driver or someone else with a jump-suit on (basically AM radio listeners).
You know how simple this is? Mother nature (this planet) has automatic systems in place that keep the planet healthy. Right now, 6 billion people are making it a bit un-balanced. CO2 is the key element in the automatic system that fixes this problem. In Mother Nature's infinite wisdom, the way the system works is designed to make you ignore it. Add our desire to not be responsible for our own actions, and this frog-boil will take it's course perfectly. That is why bellicose regurgitation of energy industry misinformation - is an important part of helping our planet stay healthy. We wouldn't want to twart Mother Nature! Oh, by the way, AM radio reception is best - right by the water's edge.

 

RadioMan,

"it is always from a plumber, electrician, truck-driver or someone else with a jump-suit on (basically AM radio listeners)"

While I agree with the "AM radio listeners" line, I think you should be careful with broad stereotypes. Personally I am very much a blue collar working class guy, and MOST of the folks I know in the trades are not nearly as "thick" as the stereotypes would have you believe.

By the same token I know lots of white collar "professionals" who for a variety of reasons have their heads in the sand. I just don't think it serves the debate well to serve up the same old class warfare issue.

The reality is that in MOST cases, we are not so very far apart (politically) as the current spate of polarization would have it appear. The problem as I see it is we seldom talk to "the other". Instead we have been taught to demonize "the other",,,,on both sides.

Icarus

 

Last I checked Barney Fwank and Chris Dodd are Democrats, and they both had a heavy hand in what led up to the current housing mess which is part of the root cause for the financial mess. Cant blame just the republicans this time, they are all guilty!

 

I just discovered a law:

"For every fact there is a contrarian conservative myth."

And its corollary:

"Contrarian conservative myths must choose a person to demonize"

Check better. Barney Frank and regulation of Fannie Mae had proportionally much less impact in the financial meltdown than mis-rating of CDOs and backing of securities without real funds.

Do yourself a favor. Quit Fox news for a month.