Mar-Jun 2013, Hybrid Dashboard Report

I would be interested in what they include in their 'hybrid' category.
Plug in hybrids?
Full electrics (I have seen some do this)?

Anecdotally, we have no hybrids, but two electrics. I am sure I tend to over estimate the number of electrics as a percentage as well.
It is difficult not to, which is why I very much appreciate seeing numbers and miles driven in various types of cars. It helps me stay grounded

 

I think they are only including hybrids, from there segment break down. Plug ins would have pushed the segment above sports cars. Really there are not very many plug-ins though, so I would not think it matters on percentage of cars on the road today. Plug-ins - phevs and bevs will be an increasing segment 10 years from now though.

 

PC members are very educated on Hybrid and have little fear in buying the car.

However when you speak to the average Joe's on the street you quickly become aware what are the false reasons people don't consider a Hybrid. Typical responses are it is unsafe in a car accident you may get shocked by the batteries, the car is expensive to repair, most hybrids are light cars and unsafe, etc. Guys like Rush have made the Hybrid a political hot bed, a suv is your g-d given political right.

I think Toyota is doing a great job in debunking the myths and in time Hybrid will overtake other cars.

 

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July 2013 Prius sales:

15,252 - Liftback
3,428 - V
3,797 - C
817 - PHV

Put in perspective, the Liftback ranks 4th in Toyota's product-line here:

34,780 - Camry
24,462 - Corolla
19,538 - Rav4

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Prius family has best-ever July.​

Toyota July Sales Overview
Toyota reported July 2013 sales results of 193,394 vehicles, an increase of 17.3 percent over July 2012.
Toyota itself posted July 2013 sales of 173,063 vehicles, up 16.2 percent over the year-ago month.
Lexus reported July 2013 sales of 23,031 units, up 26.3 percent over last year.

Toyota July Sales Highlights

• Camry is best-selling car in America with best July since 2010
• Toyota/Lexus hybrid sales increase about 37 percent and hold more than 60 percent market share
• Prius family posts double digit gains for best July ever
• All-new Avalon posts triple digit gains
• Lexus ES up 62 percent
• Toyota July 2013 Sales up 17.3% + Camry Hybrid Overview - CleanMPG Forums

Rank Best-Selling Car July 2013 %Change
#1 Toyota Camry 34,780 + 16.3%
#2 Honda Civic 32,416 + 29.6%
#3 Honda Accord 31,507 + 10.0%
#4 Nissan Altima 29,534 + 11.0%
#5 Chevrolet Cruze 25,447 + 70.2%
#6 Toyota Corolla 24,463 + 3.5%
#7 Hyundai Elantra 23,958 + 29.4%
#8 Ford Fusion 20,522 - 12.0%
#9 Hyundai Sonata 18,903 - 9.9%
#10 Ford Focus 16,764 + 1.9%
#11 Toyota Prius 16,069 + 51.3%
-----Prius Sedan ^ 15,252 + 53.5%
-----Prius Plug-In ^ 817 + 18.8%
#12 Kia Optima 13,752 + 3.3%
#13 Volkswagen Jetta 13,388 - 1.8%
#14 Chevrolet Impala 12,915 + 38.0%
#15 Chevrolet Malibu 12,473 + 1.0%
#16 Nissan Sentra 11,439 + 15.7%
#17 Subaru Outback 10,456 + 12.7%
#18 Kia Soul 10,160 + 1.0%
#19 Volkswagen Passat 10,051 + 11.6%
#20 BMW 3-Series 9890 + 29.2%

Source: Manufacturers & ANDC

 

GM's struggle with Volt continues to get worse. Despite the huge discount last month, sales growth was not achieved. It only caused a temporary surge, then returned back to roughly the rate it was prior to that. July results were well under what was hoped, especially considering the month started with around 8,000 unsold still in inventory.

Put in perspective, the position of Volt only qualifies as a niche in GM's product-line, clearly not a significant part of the fleet:

42,080 - Silverado
25,447 - Cruze
18,507 - Equinox
16,582 - Sierra
12,915 - Impala
12,473 - Malibu
7,969 - Camaro
7,855 - Terrain
7,616 - Traverse
7,119 - Tahoe
6,181 - Suburban
6,055 - Sonic
5,569 - Express
4,963 - Enclave
3,847 - Spark
3,621 - Verano
3,446 - LaCrosse
3,176 - Encore
3,143 - Yukon XL
2,790 - Yukon
2,548 - Captiva
1,788 - Volt

With such an obvious indication of what the true competition is, there are obviously some priorities & goals to reconsider. Traditional vehicles are a major portion of GM sales. How will they break away from the mess they created? Some other choice must be offered. What will it be?

 

Is Chevy working on a Prius V, C-Max fighter? - Autoblog

 

If 1788 is a "niche", what is 817?

 

It's a package option. Toyota didn't take a one-size-fits-all approach with Prius like GM did with Volt.

Also, rollout to just 15 states is in itself a niche. It simply doesn't make sense expanding nationwide until the 2014 model year. When it happens, that will spawn interest in both markets.

The decision to wait makes more and more sense as each month passes.

 

gotta love the rationalizations. No Toyota only had a one size fits all prius for 13 years The volt has been a single car option for much longer, almost 4

whatever it takes to make you sleep better at night, buddy. Keep it up.

 

Hehe, the decision to wait is why I sold my Prius to get a Volt.
The decision to wait to bring the Ravev to Minnesota (if ever) is why we bought our second Model S.
It may work for Toyota as a whole. But personally I don't see how you are going to replace mainstream vehicles with advanced vehicles such as the PiP and Rav4ev if you don't SELL them.

 

if I wasn't so dang lazy I'd average the EPA/mpg of all these vehicles together just to see what their average would be. I think that might prove interesting in comparison to Toyota's top sellers.
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Looking at the big picture, V & C have become well known in the meantime. Heck, the C model has been the top-seller in Japan for awhile now. That established the acceptance of Prius variety. While at the same time, work has been underway to prepare the market for the plug-in model... in other words, educate consumers.

Haven't you noticed one of the top complaints about GM's approach with Volt has been the lack understanding, not having taught consumers how it works?

What benefit would there have been rolling out this Spring as originally planned? Waiting until Fall doesn't appear to have been a loss. In fact, the success of Tesla & Nissan in the meantime appears to be a gain. The growing popularity of full EVs makes the decision to purchase a Prius with a plug easier. There's no intimidation factor then.

In other words, Toyota is positioning itself rather than having just plunging in. That's a sound plan for reaching the mainstream.

 

Wow, what month do you think toyota will be selling prius phv's in texas and florida. What year do you thin the phv will be mainstream? How many phv's does toyota need to sell to be mainstream?

How much do you think the leaf $199 lease will help sell the 2014 prius phv when they roll out to other states?

 

Make that "almost 3".

I got Volt #42 in December 2010 as quickly as they could truck it from the factory in Michigan about 2 years and just over 7 months ago.

 

John, I thought you recently said your concern was about GM not building a high mpg Prius hybrid competitor. I agree with you that they should do this.

Do you think they should redesign the Volt with a smaller pack with a blended non-EREV design (equivalent to a Ford Energi) to drop the cost? No, you recently denied that was your intent.

So why do you keep harshing on the Volt?