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Maximizing MPG on Long Uphill Grades

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by withersea, Aug 2, 2006.

  1. jamarimutt

    jamarimutt New Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hobbit @ Aug 3 2006, 03:45 PM) [snapback]297194[/snapback]</div>
    Explain that one!
     
  2. hobbit

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    Easy. http://techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/squirt/ illustrates
    a simple injection meter, that DOES NOT lie about consumption. Some
    people have observed that things like the ScanGauge register a
    trickle in fuel-cut states, so in this case bypassing the computers
    is useful. I've also scoped the same outputs so I know exactly how
    long the injector pulses are during a lot of these conditions.
    .
    In neutral, regardless of vehicle speed, the hybrid controller totally
    lets go of any motor control, including relinquishing the ability to
    start or stop the engine. So if it's already running [turning] it
    stays running, or if it's already shut down it stays that way. But
    without any help from the electric motors, now the engine ECU has
    to go to an idling state at about 950-1000 rpm to remain running.
    Minimum injector pulse is right around 2 ms, visible at the blinkie
    LED and on the scope.
    .
    This is why "warp neutral" works, too -- if you start below 42 mph
    and remove the ability for the hybrid system to effect engine control
    by being in neutral, you can reach much higher speeds without spinning
    the engine. At 68 mph you reach the theoretical 10,000 RPM limit
    of MG1. Somewhere along the scale you're probably getting more
    viscous drag from the motors thrashing the transaxle fluid, so it's
    probably better to use warp-stealth for extended high-speed coasting
    instead. Besides, I expect Ken will pop in here and say "bad idea
    to coast in neutral" as usual, although I've never seen his reasoning.
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    Now, this original thread was about *uphill*, not *downhill*.
    Recent research indicates that staying under 2300 RPM and allowing
    speed to bleed off as needed is part of the right answer here. You
    might find yourself crawling up amidst the big semis, but your
    MPG will definitely be higher. Why? Between 2200 and 2400 rpm,
    near as I can determine, the valve timing is changed in a way that
    eats just a little more gas for motive power gained.
    .
    But really, it's not just about uphill technique ... it's what you
    do overall that contributes to the *average*. Warp-stealth is
    probably your strongest ally.
    .
    _H*