Missing a former contributor Mojo

you're just feeling guilty because you drove him out

 

yeah, it's not easy to find in these parts. especially someone with so much knowledge, so many links and so much misunderstanding

maybe try a coal roller chat room

 

I'm not remembering him as a type that would fit in with most fora of that particular type. He was a different mix.

 

indeed

 

I resent that! I helped!

If we need a straw man, we could start here:
Watts Up With That? | The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change

For example: Biologist Creating Super Plants To Combat Climate Change | Watts Up With That?

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

This is the only climate technology which really frightens me.

This scientist thinks she has the key to curb climate change: super plants

Adam Popescu in La Jolla, California
Tue 16 Apr 2019 20.00 AEST

Dr Joanne Chory hopes that genetic modifications to enhance plants’ natural carbon-fixing traits could play a key role – but knows that time is short, for her and the planet​

An amusing thought . . . CRISPER some photo plankton to give an evolutionary boost.

Bob Wilson

 

Guilty, I am.


Bob Wilson

 

Earth's thermometer: Sea Level | Vital Signs – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet


Bob Wilson

 

has anyone pm'ed him/her?

 

Cyanbacteria are already a bitch to control in an aquarium.

 

One can argue about climate change. I am one of those that believe it is real. The issue for me is what is really causing it? See, for me, I grew up in So Cal in the 60's and was bombarded with information that by 1980, the planet would no longer have an O zone layer to protect us, we were going to die of skin cancer in large proportions and that smog was going to choke us to death. If we all over the entire planet quit using cars, electricity, oil and heating as we do now, would it truly reverse our current situation? Or, is this due to the fact that our solar system is moving into an area in the universe that is affecting our Sun, causing it to have more solar flares than normal?, which causes more heat to hit our atmosphere than in other centuries? Again, I believe it is happening, but, can really really have a positive affect on reversing it? We have better fuel burning cars than in the 60's, we recycle EVERYTHING, we are turning our waste into reusalbe products. What is the solution to global warning? Shutting down the entire use of electricity globally? abolishing the use of cars? Quit breathing? Planting more trees? I'm not poking fun here. We are getting bombarded with how we are tearing apart our planet. So How do we stop it? Seriously? I might add, that back in the 60's, it was common for weekly smog alerts. We shut down all gas emissions. I breathed air that felt like razor blades were shredding my lungs. Schools were closed. Factories were shut down. When was the last time this happened in So cal? We had leaded gas in the 60's, we now have unleaded. We didnt recycle, now we do. We do so much more globaly than we did in the 60's and I am happy we do. So what do we do now?

 

stop using the internets

 

I will try to address just this part of your post:
Chlorofluorocarbons effect at reacting with and thinning the UV-protecting upper-level ozone layer was confirmed when hole in ozone layer was measured in Antarctica. Hugher UV dosages produced increased skin cancer rates in at least Australia and probably other Southern Hemisphere countries. The Aussies adopted school uniforms mandating the use of shirts and hats for children, and the “slip, slop, slap” motto for adults going outside that translates as “slip on a shirt, slop on the sunscreen, and slap on a hat”. So effects of ozone thinning were real both on humans and probably species like phytoplankton, where large scale die-offs would have been even more disastrous.
So what did we do?
International political cooperation produced a rapid world-wide phase-out in production and use of chlorofluorocarbons in the 1980s-1990s. Most recent ozone layer observations from Antarctica indicate that the ozone depletion hole has stopped increasing and may be finally decreasing in size.
(Answer to CO2 levels and climate change would be more multi-faceted, but the enacted solutions would also have to at least include the major economies creating high levels of CO2.)

 

I am glad that we are finding solutions. I believe that with every issue that comes, we will find the solution. Sometimes the way things are portrayed, it makes it seem like we have no way out, no solutions, doomsday, etc. I wish I could show you the slide films I had to see as a 8 year old kid! Kind of makes life scary for a kid. I see the point. Just hate the "we humanoids are destroying the planet" doctrine, when we humanoids have found, and will continue to find solutions to our messes.

 

Unlike the 'flat-earth' and 'anti-vaccination' reports, sea level is a single, empirical metric of the global temperature. There are subtle differences like polar ice that are leading indicators but one has to be careful to separate weather, the locally random, from climate that 'loads the dice.'

A lot of climate FUD comes from a combination of ignorance and a loud group of deniers. They are so few that like the lamented 'Mojo', we can often track them by name. But that is relatively unimportant unless I need a 'punch line clown' compared to the accumulating climate effects.

Our species is 'terraforming' our planet much like plants changed the atmosphere. Whether our efforts will be good or bad for our species is something we should address another day in another thread.

Bob Wilson

 

The ozone story is a good encouraging one to reflect on, because we did effectively find the solutions in time, and the most adverse outcomes have been averted because we did.

I wonder, though, if that would still have been guaranteed, if the 40-years-ago approach to finding those solutions had been up against our modern levels of orchestrated denial that there is anything to solve.