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Model 3 best selling in class in California

Discussion in 'Tesla' started by el Crucero, May 25, 2018.

  1. el Crucero

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    will be interesting once the tax credits are gone.
     
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    Elon stated he preferred the tax credit be eliminated during the last budget approval and starting in Jan/2018. He feels that a BEV should and will be able to stand on its own merits without subsidies. I AGREE. Elimination of tax credit for BEV would hurt GM and Nissan while I think it will have little if any impact on Tesla.

    Elon also prefers that subsidies for ICE vehicles be eliminated also by eliminating federal subsidies and tax breaks for the oil industry. I AGREE. let's create a level playing field and let the best technology survive.
     
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    i agree about oil subsidies and there should be higher gas taxes, but not going to happen.
    when the tax credit is gone, some potential purchasers will reevaluate.
    outside of california, there is much less incentive to buy an ev.
     
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    2017 vehicle stats - "Among used vehicles 6 years old or newer registered in California last year, Toyota led the statewide market share at 14.8 percent. Ford was second at 10.8 percent. Toyota also led new-vehicle market share statewide, at 17.2 percent, last year." As stated from the Sacramento Bee.
     
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    It should and will happen and that is why it is important to vote the oil indrustry legislators out of office.

    Californicans voted to increase the State gas tax last year. The tax went into effect last January (we are now paying over $4 per gallon in many places (it also includes an annual tax on EVs to pay for road maintenance) . A referendum was put on the ballot last Tuesday by the oil lobby to rescind the increased gas tax. It lost Statewide 80% to 20%. California continues to show the rest of the States how to Make America Great Again by being, individually, the 5th largest economy in the world. We, Californicans are fortunate to live in Ecotopia!
     
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    Uh, @orenji show us the 2018 stats.
     
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    yeah, i think it will be a long time before the rest of the country follows cali, there are probably a couple. jersey took a big hike awhile back.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    So did Pennsylvania.
     
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    probably when peeps couldn't go over the boarder for cheap gas anymore.:p
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Actually, it was the other way around. Pa raised their tax to generate income for the general fund.

    At the risk of going political, Christy and the Republicans brought in the gas tax increase in NJ in order to fund lowering the sales tax. Have friends that were against it because a fuel tax hits the lower income folk more. NJ sales tax doesn't apply to essentials like food and clothing. So lowering it saves those able to buy more 'luxury' items.
     
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    2018 not over yet....
     
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    Therein lies the problem for the legacy auto makers, Tesla is destroying them and the year isn't even over yet! Tesla just keeps getting stronger and stronger in 2018 and beyond.
     
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    To be fair, Tesla has a long way to go before it is destroying any of the legacy automakers, in general.
    In the focused area of EVs, Tesla is leading, and influencing many of the automakers for the better.

    Now, if the legacy automakers don’t respond with competitive products, Tesla will take more and more market share in the markets they enter.
    It is rather funny, as any one of them could have squashed Tesla like a bug back in the 2010-2012 time frame. Now, it is too late. Tesla will keep expanding until competition arrives.
     
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    Christy is just a disgusting whale of a politician as a reminder of what's wrong with the political establishment in general (NJ in particular is exhibit A when you also consider Menendez). Did you see him stuffing his lard-laden face at the cringey WH correspondents' dinner. The irony was rich, almost on cue with the Wolf ribbing.
     
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    Tesla will buy GM.
     
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    Maybe, if and when GM goes bankrupt again and for good, but it is more likely that Tesla would just purchase some of GM's assets like their production facilities. Tesla would never want to put up with GM's stealership distribution model or UAW union on the assembly line.
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    I actually think GM is the only other automaker other than Tesla to have the 3 pillar approach to the future: Electrification (yes I realize they aren't quite as committed to it as Tesla, but more than some automakers), Autonomy (they have a solid and legitimate autonomous strategy), and Ride Sharing (Maven has a ways to go, but again its much better than other car manufacturers).

    I see GM being a very strong business for decades to come.
     
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    GM Cadillac's division will be a fierce competitor to Tesla and the world!
     
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    I agree with your assessment and that is why I said "if." The problem with GM right now is that all their BEV offerings are compliance cars to subsidize their ICE vehicles. They are really not committed at all to the BEV concept. Also they lack innovation and imagination in their top management and they have a slavish commitment to their stockholders. If they can overcome these challenges, they should do well.
    I disagree, the Cadillac division could be a fierce competitor to Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, Audi, and MBZ. The only potential competitor to Tesla right now is the Jaguar I-Pace (a model 3 sized SUV priced like a model S) and the Porsche Mission E (which is a 4 door sedan priced like a model X).