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  1. Lee Jay

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    I think this is worth its own thread.

    From Ydooby: 2016 Prius 20% improvement in MPG? | Page 4 | PriusChat

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    Grade details and fuel consumption

    • E [Eco, presumably]
      Fuel consumption: 40km / L
      Vehicle weight: 1310kg
      Nickel-metal hydride battery-powered: for weight reduction FF only, fuel tank capacity 5L small 38L
      Washer tank capacity 2.8L small 2.0L
      The number of speakers, two small four rear stabilizer, tonneau cover less price about 230-10000 yen
    • S (mass grade)
      Fuel consumption: 37km / L (4WD: 36km / L)
      Vehicle weight: 1360kg (4WD: 1430kg)
      LED fog lights, smart entry, synthetic leather steering wheel, rear seat center armrest drive: FF or 4WD
      Nickel-metal hydride battery price about 250-10000 yen
    • A
      Fuel consumption: 37km / L (4WD: 36km / L)
      Vehicle weight: 1360kg (4WD: 1440kg)
      Toyota safety sense P, senior fabric specifications, and 17-inch aluminum wheels, color head-up display lithium-ion battery price about 290-10000 yen
    • A PREMIUM
      Fuel consumption: 37km / L (4WD is 36km / L)
      Vehicle weight: 1360kg (4WD: 1440kg)
      Electric power seat, raindrop-sensitive auto wipers, leather seats, 100V accessory power lithium-ion battery price about 350-10000 yen
    I don't think the prices make any sense, and I don't know what a 100V accessory power is unless it's an AC plug (which should be included on all of them, in my opinion).
     
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    Looks good! can edit & add new infos later; navigation, sunroof, wheels, etc....

    We are probably going to stick with the TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE trims. "ONE" sounds too "barebone" :), probably not going to use it.

    No spare tire for A, A Premium!
     
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    The prices should read respectively, at today's exchange rates:
    2,300,000 yen ~$19,200
    2,500,000 yen ~$20,900
    2,900,000 yen ~$24,200
    3,500,000 yen ~$29,200

    Also, doesn't mean same models and prices will be available in the U.S.

    Most of the world uses 220-240V, we are a bit of an exception in North America at 120V, but Japan is even rarer as they use 100V. I think even at least one of the G3 PiP trim there has a 100V outlet too, not here -yet.



    We have a thread for this, but our friendly moderator TonyPSchaefer
    probably hasn't been able to keep up with our level of mania:
    Everything we know for sure about the Gen4 | PriusChat
     
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    Nice detective work!

    With Grade A Premium (if there is a parallel in the USA), I hope we have a sub trim level to do away with the bathroom porcelain white interior embellishments.
     
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    i wonder if this info is true... for instance, prices mirror those of G3, as well as weights. Horsepower info is actually wrong for sure, since it shows 122hp overall power.
     
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    I am asking for the console and shifter area to instead be made of Nice fake Carbon Fiber for the black interior. :D
     
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    Yeah, something probably lost in translation. Toyota already said the vehicle would have more power. By comparison, Toyota's official Gen 3 numbers were a little higher for the ICE and E-Motor output:
    Google Translate
     
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    It says "122ps". Since everything else on that page is metric, couldn't that be 122 kilowatts = 164HP?
     
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    i think we need to be careful of non usa data.
     
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    40 km/L : *.946L/qt *4 qt/gal *.62km/mile ~= 94 mpg on Japan test cycle 60 mpg US plausible.

    1310 *2.2lb/kg = 2882 lbs, so much of the ECO mpg boost is weight savings. Will be noisy on the freeway.
     
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    PS is the metric horsepower, and is 98.6% of the imperial hp.
    Horsepower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The ECO trim won't refer to fuel efficiency, but the stripped base model. At least in Japan. I suspect Toyota may use a different moniker to avoid confusion in the US.
     
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    economical, or ecological.
     
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    By reports, Toyota means economical, as in price, and that sounds like how it is generally used in Japan.
    GM is already using it for the high fuel efficiency trims, which aren't the cheapest model, in the US, and may even have it trademarked.
     
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    I didn't read the linked material, but could the ICE be 122ps then the electric motor could be on top of that? That would be a good improvement over the current 100ps ICE in the Gen 3.
     
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    Unfortunately it does specifically say that 122ps is the maximum system output, with the maximum engine output being 98ps, 1ps down from the 3rd gen, and the maximum motor output being 72ps, 10ps down from the 3rd gen.

    Sadly it seems that at this point Toyota can only manage to improve fuel economy by weakening output, and given the similar weight to the 3rd gen, the performance stats of the 4th gen is likely to be an ugly sight.

    A summary of changes in power and torque:
    • Maximum engine output: 98ps (down from 99ps)
    • Maximum engine torque: 14.5kgm (same as 3rd gen)
    • Motor maximum output: 72ps (down from 82ps)
    • Motor maximum torque: 16.6kgm (down from 21.1kgm)
    • System maximum output: 122ps (down from 136ps)
     
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    ...what is the Li batt option buying me in the third (A) case?
     
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    I was hoping for more washer tank capacity.
     
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    Toyota sells the Corolla here in an "LE Eco" trim, for almost $2,000 more than the base L. I expect we'll see something similar with a Prius Eco trim level.
     
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