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My First Measured Fill-up

Discussion in 'Gen 1 Prius Plug-in 2012-2015' started by CaliforniaBear, Mar 29, 2013.

  1. CaliforniaBear

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    525 miles on this fill-up out of 839 odometer miles on the new Prius Plug-in.
    Gas used was 6.1 gallons giving mileage of 86.1 mpg. The display read 88 mpg, 50% EV
    Including electricity at approximately 30 kWh per gallon the mileage is 67.7 mpg

    228 miles of the 525 miles was a mountain trip with a display of 63 mpg.

    The 67.7 mpg is about 19 mpg better than I did with my 2012 Prius Three. Part of this is simply EV operation and part is the larger battery providing more opportunity for regenerative boost for EV use.
     
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    excellent! (y) did you enter into the spreadsheet?
     
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    Go Bears!!! Welcome to Plug-in Prius, from the Berkeley Class of '89!
     
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    Class of '62!

    What's your commute route?
     
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    Alameda to Santa Clara -- Hwy 880 to 237 to Lawrence.
     
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    All flat. Do you use CC or any special techniques, slower speed, whatever?
     
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    I've revised my thinking on the gasoline equivalent cost of electricity. Presently I'm paying $0.10/kWh to charge my car at night. Next month it will be $0.04/kWh with the PG&E E-9A rate and the production of my solar panels keeping me on the Baseline rate. For the 525 mile example above I used 50 kWh. At the 4 cent rate that would be 1/2 gal and the overall mileage calculation would be 79.4 mpg. At the current 10 cent rate its 1.27 gal giving 71.2 mpg.
     
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    Not sure of your logic. Are you suggesting we calculate MPG based on adjusting the energy content of a kWH based on the cost?
     
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    Bear,

    Add your Fillup data to the first tab named "Enter Data Here" and I'll move it to the "MPG" tab and back it up.
    Welcome to Google Docs
     
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    I've decided to just consider the cost.
     
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    Cost is important...but not a good measure to be able to compare efficiency...gas prices and electricity prices vary day to day and by geography. To be useful, IMO, we need to compare based on units that don't change, then people can convert this to their own costs.

    MPGe is miles per gallon equivalent, where the energy content of gasoline (114,000 BTUs per gallon) is equated to ~33.7 kw-hrs (where 1 kw-hr = 3412 BTUs).

    Technically we should be using a ~3% lower value for BTUs per gallon of gas because it generally has 10% ethanol.

    Mike
     
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    I understand what you are saying but I like cost as my measurement. I'm not in competition with other folks, just driving a car I enjoy.
     
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    Why not use cost per mile
    Total cost of gas + total cost of electric/miles driven

    1243 miles driven
    Fuel consumed
    10 gallons gas at $3.92/ gallon cost $39.2
    263 kWh at $0.0335/kWh total cost $8.81
    Total cost $48.01

    $48.01/1243 miles= $0.039/mile

    Assume std prius 50 mpg

    Gas 1243/50= 24.86 gallons cost $97.45

    $97.45/1243=$0.128/mile
     
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    Gas to fill tank + (kWh * cost/kwh)/(cost per gallon of gas) = equivalent gallons of gas used

    Use equivalent gallons to calculate mpg. This takes into account the different cost of gas for each fill up and possible changes in cost of a kWh.

    Fuelly calculates the average cost/mile for me over all fill ups when I use the equivalent amount of gas for each fill.

    Gas 6.1 gal + (50kWh * $0.10/kWh) / ($3.94/gal) = 7.37 effective total gas
    525 miles / 7.37 gallons = 71.23 mpg
     
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    It's not as simple as $0.04 a kwh at off-peak rates. You also have to consider what your peak rate was before vs now. If you were paying $0.09 on E1 before at peak time and paying $0.12 on E9-A now, then it's not really costing you $0.04 a kwh to charge your car. Those off peak kwh are being subsidized by your peak rate use.

    That's the reason I haven't switched to E9 yet. I'm charging $0.15 average per kwh for my car according to PG&E. (It's really $0.29 per kwh because the entirety of the car pushes me into tier 3.) If I switched to E9, I could be charging for $0.09 average per kwh. No brainer, right? But because of what I just wrote, my math shows that switching my rate will decrease my total monthly bill by $5 or so. That's hardly worth becoming Electricity Monitor and scolding 3 adults when they want to boil an egg at 2 PM during peak time or wash their clothes on a weekday.
     
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    If I use 1 kWh in off-peak I'm charged $0.o4. This does not change how much I use or am charged for at other times of the day as long as the total for the month is within the baseline. With my solar panels I don't expect most months to go above the baseline so the amount I use at night won't effect the price of electricity I use at other times.

    For a very dark winter month going up 1 tier doesn't change the rate much. If it does I can adjust the equivalent gas calculation to reflect the added cost of the electricity for that month.

    We boil our eggs with gas and plan no changes in our lifestyle :) The time-of-use rate is what makes the biggest saving on long hot summer days.
     
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    If you have Solar, you should probably stick to E-6. It's better for maximizing solar credit production than E9-A. You lose 1 hour of peak rate production in summer on E9-A, right around the time your solar array is in max production. Partial-peak rates are higher on E-6 as well in summer. For winter off-peak you'll be earning slightly higher credits, too.
     
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    Interesting, I see what you are saying. I'll go with E9-A for now. Its easy to switch. Since PG&E gives a hour-by-hour accounting I should be able to determine if E6 is actually better considering my usage pattern.
     
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    2 things to keep in mind:

    1) You can only switch rates once a year, so you'll have to live with this for a while.

    2) The standard Solar net energy meter they give you isn't a smart meter with hourly updates. They have to come by to read the meter every month. In 2012 they were supposed to start swapping them out for smart-meter enabled Solar meters, but I haven't heard anything further. Our system was turned on in July 2012, at which point you think they would've have just installed a smart-meter Solar meter to begin with, but alas, that wasn't the case.

    What size system do you have and how long have you had it?