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My latest energy savings toy -- a pressure cooker

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by chogan2, Dec 11, 2010.

  1. chogan2

    chogan2 Senior Member

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    Don't know what to get your Significant Other for the Holidays? Looking for a "green" present? Feel as if you haven't boosted the Chinese economy enough yet this season?

    Let me recommend getting a pressure cooker.

    I bought one a while back for canning, and have finally gotten around to using it for cooking. I'm impressed. It's now my favorite kitchen toy. Takes less energy, takes less time. Built like a tank. What's not to like?

    I got the Presto Professional Pressure Cooker 8 Quart Stainless Steel. But as far as I can tell, they're all pretty good. Here's what I like about them.

    1) Essentially, they're like diesel engines -- have to build them right in the first place, or they'll blow up. So it's a nicely-made cookpot.

    2) If you're a complete and total dumb###, you can cause damage (by failing to turn down the heat once the pot starts steaming, which will blow out the safety plug.) I like consumer objects that have a built-in Darwin test.

    3) Works as advertised. Soaked kidney beans, 3 minutes at pressure. Whole chicken, 20 minutes to falling off the bone. For the first time in my life, I can cook garbonzo beans and not have them end up crunchy.

    4) It's just basic physics and chemistry. Higher pressure = hotter, hotter = faster chemical reactions.

    5) Very retro, and yet so modern.

    6) The "steam release" looks and sounds extremely cool. As in, if any of your other consumer goods did that, you'd get the h### out of the room in a hurry.

    7) And if you actually want it made-in-America, there's a company that still makes big expensive heavy-duty ones here -- the All-American is made in Wisconsin.
     
  2. tripp

    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

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    You got an energy comparison for us? C'mon Chogan, where are the numbers? :D
     
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    My mom used to use a pressure cooker. She used to do a lot of canning too. The one she had was a Presto brand - it must be 50 years old by now and still works as far as I know. I think one of my sisters got it when my mom passed away in 2005.
     
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    Howdy,
    Being in Oz I don't know the brand but we inherited a pressure cooker when we got married (35 yrs ago). The wife was cooking up some bones and veges (making a soup) and the pressure relief valve let go. You ever tried cleaning meat and vegies off a 12+ foot ceiling?

    But yes, pressure cookers work a treat.

    Cheers
    Warwick
     
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    I have three: one medium sized cooker in the kitchen for day to day use, one GIANT sized unit for canning, and a really beautiful small stainless cooker for the boat.

    I especially like the pressure cooker for cooking on the boat. It cuts cooking time, minimizes fuel use, and keeps the mess inside the cooker. It is also a good pan without the pressure top, so it does double duty; always a good thing in tight quarters.

    Have you tried baking custard or pudding inside of your pressure cooker? I do it by putting the custard in a glass bowl and putting the bowl inside of the pressure cooker. I can "bake" a small batch of custard in 15 minutes, which comes out to less than a half hour by the time you build and release pressure.

    Tom
     
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    Short answer: Not much. Near as I can tell, average US family spends about $100/year in the direct energy cost of cooking. But the average US family doesn't cook much.

    Intermediate answer: No good data on the 'net that I could find. Lot of armchair calculations on based on BTU of a stove burner, ignoring the fact that you mostly simmer.

    Long answer: Perform the experiment. Roughly 11 cents savings on a batch of hard beans, @15 cents/KWH for electricity.

    Thought about using a Coleman stove and weighing the fuel bottle pre/post, but a hot plate and a Kill-a-Watt was a lot more convenient. So, 6 cups of water in my pressure cooker, and get the following energy use:

    1) Bring to boil: 0.29 KWH
    2) Simmer, lid on, no pressure: 0.50 KWH per hour
    3) Bring to from boil to pressure: 0.09 KWH
    4) Simmer at pressure: 0.36 KWH per hour.

    Hypothetical pot of garbonzo beans:
    Traditional: Bring to boil, simmer 2 hours.
    Pressure cooker: Bring to pressure, cook 25 minutes, do not release pressure.

    Estimated use and cost:
    Traditional: 1.29 KWH
    Pressure cooker: 0.53 KWH
    Difference: 0.76 KWH
    Cost difference @ $0.15/KWH: 11.4 cents.

    Observations:
    0) It does indeed take less energy to keep the pot simmering under pressure than it does merely covered. Lot of people say that, that seems to be my observation on the stove, and the data validate it.

    1) The 0.09 KWH to bring up to pressure is partially recovered at the end. On this test, the cooker maintained pressure (hissing steam) 6 minutes after I turned off the heat. I accounted for that in the 25 minute time for the beans.

    2) This does not account for HVAC effects, this is just the direct energy cost.

    3) The cooker cost about $70 and has a 12 year warranty. Taking that as the lifetime, I'd have to cook about a pot of beans a week to pay for the cooker in energy savings.

    4) At one pot of beans per week, the global warming effects are ambiguous, due to the tradeoff between lower C02 emissions and increased methane emissions.
     
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    Bob64 Sapphire of the Blue Sky

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    Don't forget to inspect the rubber O-RING once in awhile or you may have a messy explosion!

    I replaced my O-RING for like 8bucks.
     
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    There you go, using that scientific method again. What's next, do the math and try to convince us that global warming is real?
     
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    I had a pressure canner when I lived in N.D. It would do 7 quart jars or 18 pint jars. I always did pints. It's great for what it's for: Producing enough heat to kill the bug that causes botulism. And of course the higher heat will cook beans faster.

    As for the energy-saving claim, I'm skeptical: It takes energy to reach the high heat. If you compare it to open-pot cooking, maybe the shorter cooking time makes up for the energy needed to reach the higher heat. But if you compare it to a microwave oven, where ALL the energy projected into the cavity goes into the food, I doubt there's any savings with a pressure cooker.

    And the higher heat of pressure cooking degrades vitamins and flavors to a greater extent than open-pot cooking.

    Bottom line: Different tools are best for different tasks. Some foods do well in a pressure cooker, others do not. And you lose more nutrients the higher the heat you use. Fifteen pounds of pressure (at sea level) is necessary to kill the botulism microbe. But for everything else, I'll stick to open-pot cooking, baking, and the MW oven.

    The biggest factors for me are the loss of nutrients at high temperature, and the need to watch the pressure constantly.
     
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    Well, as my high-school physics teacher used to say, when in doubt, perform the experiment.

    Experiment, continued: 6 cups water, covered pyrex container, microwave oven, bring to boiling: 0.40 KWH.

    I wouldn't necessarily generalize that, but, for sure, my (elderly) microwave isn't as efficient at heating water as my closed-burner electric hot plate is.

    Oddly, my results are well in line with US DOE averages. Resistance electric heat smooth cooktops are listed at 74% efficient, microwave ovens at 55%. So DOE data would project 35% more electricity use in the microwave, where as I found 38% more for my particular microwave and hot plate.

    http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/appliance_standards/residential/pdfs/cookgtsd.pdf

    Everyone agrees that microwaves are more efficient than conventional electric ovens. (The document above lists a convention oven at 12% efficient). But for boiling water, the averages say no, and my particular experiment says no, the microwave isn't more efficient. Microwaves are not lossless. So it's a question of whether the microwave loses more than the particular resistance heater being used. For example, all sources seem to agree that a dedicated electric kettle is much more efficient at water heating than a microwave or a stovetop.

    Not that I would boil beans in a microwave anyway.

    On nutrients, its a time versus temperature tradeoff. Pressure cooker advocates claim better nutrient retention than open-pot cooking, though I have not seen the data to back that up. But as near as I can tell, the scientific literature on canning all boils down to this: Given the temperature-versus-time tradeoff, you preserve more nutrients with high-heat, short-time cooking. I've learned enough to know that the time/temperature tradeoff varies by particular nutrient, so the most I'd say is that I see nothing to suggest that a pressure cooking loses more nutrients than the equivalent open-pot cooking. Versus a microwave, it's completely plausible that the microwave does better due to the shorter cook time.


     
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    Huh. So I've been wasting energy by heating my tea in the microwave. I drink a lot of tea. Call it four cups a day, 2 min each, 1500W, x 365 = a truly impressive 73 KWH annually for tea drinking. Kettles are listed as being about 90% efficient, versus (say) 55% for my elderly microwave. At $0.15/KWH, I'd save about 28 KWH or $4.25 per year on my tea drinking alone, by switching to some type of electric immersion heater. That gives me less than a 4 year payback period on one of these:
    http://www.amazon.com/dp/product/B000C3QSPQ?tag=priuschatcom-20 can't pass that up.
     
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    Electric immersion heating is 100% efficient, minus the very small amount lost as heat in the power cord. The only other losses are heat losses from the kettle itself, but you will have similar losses with any container of hot water.

    Storage heaters (tank heaters) are a different story, since you have continuous heat loss. These only make sense from an energy standpoint if they are frequently used.

    The real issue with immersion heating in kettles is proper sizing. If you make a small cup of tea with a large kettle, the minimum amount of water will be much larger than the tea cup, so a lot of heat gets left in the kettle each time. Match the kettle to its use, or consider using an immersion heater directly in your cup.

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    I was watching Test Kitchen yesterday, and they had an electric pressure cooker. No more watching the pressure, and it depressurizes automatically when it's done (which is based on the time you input).

    I suppose this is less efficient for those of us with gas stoves, though.
     
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    Got it -- my proposed solution is the "hot shot" device above. You fill your cup, pour it in, it heats that cupful, then you dispense it out the bottom of the reservoir. Turns out they've been selling those for decades (my mother-in-law had one when my wife was in college), so it must be a pretty decent design.