Featured Nearly 90% of EV drivers polled won't go back to Gas

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  1. hill

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    90% Of Electric Car Owners Won't Return To Gas

    Irony is - between less folk driving & more folk plugging in and fracking the last bits of fossil fuel ~ it seems we've apparently created enough of a fuel reserve (in addition to oil company tax breaks) to need to further boost gas burning. Woo hoo! Bring on the Pickus, Vans & SUV's !!
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    I would imagine that most folks buying EVs are pretty aware of what they are getting into and have thought through the use case for their vehicle needs. Given that why would they want to go back to ICE? Possible reasons are their needs or use case changed such that EV no longer fits. An office worker commuter changes careers to become a plumber and that EV suddenly no longer works for them. That is the 12% of the survey that WOULD go back to ICE, I guess. Otherwise why would anyone go back? If EV works out for one's use case, it is quiet, more fun to drive (in most cases), cheaper to operate (energy and maintenance), cleaner. It is simply better all around except if it does not work for the use case of the owner, which seems to be about 12% according to the survey.
     
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    Given how anemic the early EVs and hybrids were on the road, Tesla has shown a performance EV beats even ordinary cars. For reasons that never made sense, 'green' cars were made weak on the road.

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    i'm not quite sure what you mean

    :rolleyes:

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    Yea - unless you're in So Cal - Irvine train station, you'll never see Toyota's handiwork - the uber short range, no quick charge, no liquid cooling Scion EV. The bogus "zevnet" group runs outa UCI (it's a shill for hydrogen projects), yet they all run EV's !! Taxpayer $$$ installed a string of Chargepoint units at "their" train station spots / right up front, but YOU can't use 'em or you'll get towed.
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    I caught up with a zevnet driver at a grocery store. She didn't even know what the group was, despite the big zevnet sticker on the side of the Rav4EV she was driving. Gotta love state agency perks.
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    and 90% of gas drivers won't ever go to ev
     
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    Well that explains their fuel cell focus:
    • 38 mi EV range
    • 73 ft{3} passenger volume
    • 4 ft{3} luggage volume
    Source: Scion iQ EV - Actual Sales Versus Toyota's Initial Expectations

    It’s Toyota’s belief that pure electric vehicles don’t offer the range that its customers are looking for, which is especially true of the Scion iQ EV (the lowest range EV on the market). Of course, Toyota could solve this “issue” by fitting an electric vehicle with a large battery pack, but rather than do that, Toyota sees in its future the fuel cell electric vehicle. Hence the reason why both the Toyota RAV4 EV and Scion iQ EV must die off soon.

    Scion iQ EV specs:

    • 12 kWh lithium battery
    • US-rated range of “up to” 50 miles (down from previous estimates of 60+) – eventual EPA range – 38 miles
    • full charge (via 240v) in 3 hours
    • 47 kW (63hp) motor with 120 lbs.-ft of torque
    • zero to 60 mph in 13.4 seconds, and from 30 to 50 mph in seven seconds
    • 78-inch wheel base and 13.5 foot turning radius
    • three drive modes: D – power conserve for city driving, S – sport, and B which maximizes regenerative braking efficiency
    • top speed: 78 mph
    • Price: $45,000

    This explains the anti-BEV, fool-cell cabal.

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    I wouldn't speculate as to the timeline on it.
    But someday?
    I think they will.
    Someday it will be inevitable.
     
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    Until PHEV bridge closes, I will stay on it. When it does, I just hope there are enough charge stations as abundant as gas stations are now.
     
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    Will there be a "Rollin' Coal" smoke & sound option? :ROFLMAO::whistle:
     
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    i predict that if everyone is forced to bev, 40% of the country will rebel, and there will be another civil war
     
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    You mean like the Democrats are trying to do now? :whistle:
     
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    99% where I work. I'm the 1%.
     
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    Won’t happen.
    Currently the ability to fuel an EV is much more widespread than gas stations, however, the majority of that is extremely slow.
    That will continue to shift so their are more and more fast chargers, however their will never be as many commercial chargers as there are commercial gas pumps today.
     
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    likely attributable to lack of vision. Why do something new - when there's plenty of money to be made doing things the old way. Fish out the old pond - until nothing left forces you to move on. Even 1990's CARB rules & power politics were insufficient to fight the status quo of the fuel & auto industry. True - Battery Tech was in its infancy, but even in the 1990s Nissan delivered a lithium battery pack
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    But Nissan, true to form, incorporated mediocre passive thermal management - causing it to fail & get pulled off the market, even before all the early nickel metal hydride - low range ev leases expired.
    Anemic. Even so, all of the vehicles that came out, got snapped up by early adopters despite their warts. So the Auto industry spoke the truth - that, "No one wants EV's". Meaning - only a small minority is willing to want crappy - hoaky - boring - mediocre - insufficient infrastructure EV's" ... the industry that has no vision is speaking the truth, when they are saying that - about their own EV products.
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    Sadly, you are probably correct. That's why Toyota keeps making hybrids for foreseeable future, and manufacture like Mazda is still improving ICE engine. I will not likely to own a BEV, unless I bite a bullet and install 12kW PV on my roof. But for now, our next vehicle is likely to be either hybrid or conventional engine 4WD SUV, VAN or Pickup, but not likely to be a PHEV and definitely not a BEV.
     
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    I think you misunderstand.
    It is not sad, it is glorious :D
    Until I can refuel a gas car as conveniently as I can my EV, I can’t imagine going back to gas (as well as a whole host of other reasons).
    12kW solar array is a whole lot of power, are you looking to get two SUV class BEVs?
     
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    Yeah, with your PV set up and lifestyle, maybe so. Unfortunately, that is not for us. If BEV is the only car we have at our household, there has to be more charge stations than currently available to be usable. If we keep PRIME, the second car can be BEV, if and only if, it is AWD SUV, VAN, or Pickup, but there is no such BEV on the market yet. 12kW does not even include any BEV charging in the calculation. Just our normal electric usage in our household. In any case, if I buy PV, I won't have money for BEV anyway. :(
     
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    Ah, thank you for the explanation.
    I fully support the one car household idea and glad that the Prime fits for you as that one household car.
    I also think the PV would have a bigger impact than a BEV.

    Even better though, may be investing in making your house more energy efficient. Paying for energy efficiency is typically cheaper than paying for PV panels to supply the same amount of energy.
     
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    Yes, if I have to choose between PV and BEV, PV is far more cost-effective. As for the other improvement, thank you for your advice. We've discussed this in some other threads, but it seems in order to reduce our electric use, we will have to change our lifestyle drastically. Problem is not the house wasting the energy, it is people living in the house using the energy.
     
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