New 2006 Prius Owner, Battery Died on Day 7.

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  1. LoganAragon

    LoganAragon Junior Member

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    Howdy Folks, I want to say that I've been shopping for a couple of months and this forum has already been such a wealth of information, so thank you all so much!

    I bought a 2006 Prius I last week with 120K miles and today I got the red triangle of death...YAY!

    I still really like the car and the seller is being less than helpful so the only way I can see is forward.

    Here is my main question: Should I buy a new battery from newpriusbatteries ($1600) OR buy the Prolong Charger from Hybrid Automotive ($650)?

    Supplemental questions:

    1. If I buy both, will the Prolong Charger work with the new battery from newpriusbatteris given that the new battery from newpriusbatteries is a fundamentally different design?

    2. If I have to replace a cell in my OEM battery, will the Prolong Charger charge and balance it just like the rest, or is that some sort of no-no?

    3. Is the Prolong Charger along w/ replacing OEM cells a long term solution, or am I just kidding myself because its cheaper?

    Thanks in advance for all your opinions!
    ~Logan
     
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    For starters, you still have to figure out the nature of the red triangle... Have you read the error codes and subcodes? Before you go spending a huge amount of money on a new pack you have to eliminate all the other less expensive options, like corrosion on the battery pack voltage sensors sending bad readings, or a clogged hybrid cooling fan, or weak 12v battery.

    Also if you start working on a HV battery at very first warning light, you're likely gonna be able to have a much easier and affordable fix... If you get a multi-tester and your car's headlamp bulb and some test wires and follow the load testing process here: ProlongĀ® Battery Module Load Tester User Guide – Hybrid Automotive You might be able to find a bad module.

    In my experience fixing a bad HV battery isn't that big of a deal, but people get convinced that you can't fix them and drive around with the warning light on causing much more extensive damage, a self-fulfilling prophecy really...

    As for your other questions... There's no reason a Prolong charger won't work on alternative batteries, but Prolong is designed to expand the life of older batteries and not really needed for newer batteries.

    The Prolong system will indeed balance and condition your old battery modules so they match up with new module, but it has alot to do with how high the quality of the new module is. Always less problematic to have your new module load test better than your other modules and then re-condition each individual module with an RC smart charger, or just use the Prolong system.

    If you only have to replace one or two or three modules and you get a few months in with no issues, you could be good for a year or longer. Then eventually it'll be time to replace the whole pack.
     
  3. LoganAragon

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    Thanks Camper,

    I checked codes with a cheap OBD2 scanner (I still need to order a Mini VCI, any suggestions?) and came up with two instances of P0080. I've read this yields a P0A80 code when verdified with a Mini VCI. I pulled all the interior panels out of the rear of the Prius this afternoon and A) The hybrid cooling fan doesn't look clogged and B) the 12V battery measures a 12.59V. I also discovered, a previous owner already replaced the battery with a Dorman unit in 2/2017! I'm disappointed I don't have the OEM battery, but I also know all the cells are OEM so I don't think this is a huge setback. I am also past Dorman's 12 month warranty, which is unfortunate. I did not pull apart the casement because I'm not exactly sure which way I want to proceed, so I couldn't look for corrosion on any of the buss bars/voltage sensors. I think, given that this is a "used" Dorman rebuild I have some faith in the cells and the way forward is a Prolong charger, but I would love your opinion Camper.

    Logan
     
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    Shucks, I forgot the photos.
     

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    If @2k1Toaster has any unsold kits in the shipment arriving next week the NewPriusBatteries option would give you the best reliability for the price.
     
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    I'd call up Dorman and play on their sympathy... Maybe because you were misled by car's previous owner they'd want to smooth things over and have you as a new customer? In looking at Doorman's website there's lots of stuff they have to engage with their customers so maybe if you play along with them, they'll play along with you? Perhaps post to their FB page or something? Do all you can to be their fan so they can find a way to value your support! :)

    In the meantime, I doubt you have any corrosion problem of note... But pulling bus bars and getting voltage readings and load testing each module with a multi-tester, the car's headlight bulb and some test wires is the info you most need.

    Each individual module connected to the headlamp for two minutes will give you a sense of how much voltage loss there is...

    A bad module will have weird readings. And if you can detect the bad module, perhaps the folks at Dorman will send you a new one for free or cheap? Maybe even try to match a module to the specs of your rebuilt pack?

    Once you get past all that, then yes, a Prolong system would be wise... Then again if Dorman offers you a ridiculous low price on a newly rebuilt pack, then you don't have to worry about that, at least till the warranty is up?
     
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    Dorman is usually very strict about warranty timeframe. Plus you may need to find the original receipt. At the least you'd need to know exactly what shop/supplier sold the batyerb in the first place.
     
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    if you open the battery pack they will never do anything to help you..
    be sure they arent going to replace it before moving forward
     
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    Welp, $1600 later, I pick up my shiney new OEM battery pack tomorrow morning from my local dealer. I really appreciate everyone's help and encouragement and the Gen II Prius Individual Battery Module Replacement thread is such a good read/wealth of info, but A) I couldn't quite wrap my little head around rebuilding a battery pack and B) This is supposed to be the wife's commuter car, so reliability IS important. Moreover, I don't think $1600 for a new OEM battery is that outrageous (or at least I feel I got a good deal on one). Thanks again for everyone's contribution and while I would have loved to taken a bunch of V, deltaV, ohm and mAh readings for everyone, the last thing I need right now is another project. I will update when I install the new pack.
     
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    $1600 is a smokin' deal for an oem battery!
     
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    Do you know someone at Toyota? That's cheaper than I could get one with a friend at Toyota.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    That's right, this isn't the Toyota battery. But the one I'm thinking of myself too.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Curious which dealer this was, and total price out the door.

    Did the dealer accept your Dorman for a core and return the core deposit?
     
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    who is this dealer? 1600 is the prices of a rebuild with used mods
     
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    Actually, $1600 is the price of a kit of new cells delivered to your door. You can even sell your old modules to lower the cost. @2k1Toaster has a popular product. His link is in my signature. I believe his latest shipment arrives Monday.
     
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    That is a great price and getting a new Toyota OEM battery is the best way to get another 10+ years of trouble free use from the battery. Let us know how everything goes.
     
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    I believe if this was purchased from newpriusbatteries, this is a DIY kit we are talking about here, NOT a new OEM battery. There's going to be some assembly required.

    Let us know how it goes. Tomorrow and moving forward.
     
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    You may have been tricked by the previous owner. Sometimes you can reset the dash alarms and they won't come back for a few days. My daughter bought an as-is 2009 and after a week the inverter coolant pump code showed up. The coolant level was very low, but I'm sure the lights were reset by the used car dealer or auction. They thought the pump needed replacing in my opinion. Been fine ever since.
     
  20. LoganAragon

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    Alright, sorry for not getting back to you boys and girls in a more timely manner, been busy with the new baby. The dealer I bought the battery from was Larry H Miller Toyota in Albuquerque, NM. Here is a link to the part through them (
    G951047031 - Toyota Battery assembly, hv supply | Larry H. Miller Toyota Albuquerque, Albuquerque NM
    ). I swapped out the battery a couple of weeks ago and everything seems to be working well, my wife has the foot of an angel (she previously drove a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.0L I6 and got ~23 MPG) and is getting about ~52.5 MPG in the Prius. As far as the dealer taking my Dorman battery as a core, they did take but, but I never mentioned it was a rebuild and they never asked/opened the OEM crate to even inspect the returned core, I could have returned a crate full of potatoes for all they know. Also, I did take the time to swap over all of the nickel plated bus bars from the old Dorman battery to the new OEM battery, I'm not sure why ($$$/planned obsolescence) Toyota still uses bare copper bus bars given all the potential for corrosion, however, that is the way they do it...15 years later. All in, I think I did spend a little more than the $1600 I originally thought, but I am still a happy camper. I think big picture, its a 12 year old car, it needed a new battery, I only wish I had that perspective BEFORE purchasing the car that way I could have bought a 12 year old car with a known dead traction battery and saved a buck or two, but you know what they say, tuition is expensive! Thank you all for the instruction and encouragement!
     

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