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New Front Brake Pads & Rotors?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Metrolens, Apr 23, 2018.

  1. Metrolens

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    Hi all, just back from getting a new set of Yokohama Avid Ascends installed on my 2005 Gen 2, and what do you know, the mechanic told me I needed new front brake pads and rotors.

    The vitals:
    -My car has 116k miles.
    -I visually inspected the pads (outside ones only), and estimate they had around 2-3mm left. I drive with a gentle braking style, to maximize MPG of course, and to use only the regen brakes as much as possible.
    -As for the rotors, mechanic said they were warped and couldn't be machined. I visually inspected them, and couldn't see any rust. I don't know how to visually inspect rotors, so I'm a little in the dark about this part.
    -The car currently has no problems with braking. It's still responsive, doesn't make any noises (ok, occasional quiet squeal when a certain light pressure is applied to brakes). Basically I can identify no issues with braking

    My questions to you all:
    1. How would I know if there were a problem with the pads?
    2. How would I know if there were a problem with the rotors?
    3. Is 2-3mm on the pads actually ok? Especially since the Prius isn't relying on the pads/rotors for regen braking? For how many more miles?
     
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    It's funny I put the same tires on my Prius and was told the same thing. I took it to my dealer who laughed and said well if it was a normal car at 3mm you'd start thinking about new brakes but with a Prius it's got lots of miles left. My Prius has 162k. on the original brakes.
     
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    if the rotors would seriously warped, you would have an oscillating brake pedal. i think your fine, and would hold off until you start having issues.
    the pads and rotors can both be measured with u=instruments. other than that, it's just a look see and operator comfort.
     
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    Thanks Paprius. I edited my post; I actually think the pads were slightly thinner, probably between 2-3mm. Do you still think your logic holds? (I do).

    Thanks bisco. What would an "occulting brake pedal" look like, or present itself while driving?
     
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    sorry, oscillating. you would feel the pedal pulsating as the pads went in and out over the warped rotors.
     
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    Thanks, that makes more sense! I definitely don't feel anything like that. I have a feeling the shop was trying to upsell me on new rotors. (The pads I could see easily, so it's less ambiguous).

    I have read there is a SENSOR on the pads, which should throw a warning of some kind when the pads are truly dead, right?
     
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    when they reach end of life, some type of metal will start screeching to notify you.
     
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    I like that - a low tech solution. And the screeching sound is only potentially bad for the rotors... which the metal is screeching against, right?
     
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    right, and won't hurt them if you don't delay when the time comes.
     
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    Assuming I did want to replace both the rotors and pads... how are these? $40 for the set, too good to be true? (I wouldn't want to get slotted/drilled rotors, because they quite obviously would deplete the pads much quicker.)
     
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    i'm no expert, but for a purchase this rare, i would look on line for the best oem price and stick with them.
    i've read too many brake threads about aftermarket problems to take the risk.
     
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    Agreed OEM is the way to go. I paid $72 from Toyota of Dallas. Super easy job. Don’t forget to grease the caliper pins.
     
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    Regarding rotors, do you notice anything, a pulsation? If not, still on your first set of pads, I'd suspect they're fine. I can upload the repair Manual specs for rotors in a bit.

    With that, and a micrometer and dial indicator with magnetic base, you can check them yourself. Those two components won't set you back much over $50.
     
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    Here's that excerpt, shows specs for min thickness and runout:
     

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    Thanks Mendel. I'm not set up to take the wheels off, so I can't really do this work myself. But good info for someone else, for sure.

    I notice nothing like a pulse or oscillation or anything in the pedal that others here have said would indicate uneven rotors. Totally normal operation and feel. So I'm 99% sure my rotors are just fine. I haven't replaced the pads since I bought the vehicle with 60k miles on it. Now it has 116k, and the brake pads are around 2-3mm. I'm just going to wait until I hear or feel an indication that the pads need replacement, and then just do the pads as I have zero evidence (outside a shop that was was trying to upsell) that the rotors have anything wrong with them.
     
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    couple things in defense of the shoppe.

    to the untrained hybrid eye, prius appear to be rusty, when they actually aren't.

    2) 2-3 mm on a non hybrid might be time for a change.

    c) maybe upsell, or perhaps just ignorance.