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New Jersey high ethanol gas stations to avoid

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    New 2012 prius plug-in owner here.

    Anyone here living in New Jersey and have already researched which gas stations are the least likely to carry E15 fuel? I already called some like Wawa who confirmed there are no ethanol free (E0) stations in NJ. To be safe, I am interested in stations that are known to exclusively use E10 so I don't run the risk of accidentally putting E15.
     
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    NJ is strange as the only state you cannot pump yourself, but I assume your pumps all still have a stciker "10% ethnaol" , if it was 15% it would say so. Also there is no big issue with E15 so your concern is misplaced. Try to go with TopTierGas.com stations. Majority should be E10.

    E0 is hard to get (essentially banned) in Reformulated Gasoline regions like NJ and northern Va. You might find some on the PA side if you know where to go.

    I do not like it any more than yoiu do, but we are stuck with what Congress wants to mandate upon us.
     
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    Trivia: maybe Oregon too?

    And up here, in all of greater Vancouver, our district, Coquitlam. Filled up here maybe twice, in 30+ years...
     
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    The owner's manual explicitly states that the maximum recommended is 10% ethanol.


    The TopTierGas site shows which brands uses their detergent, but doesn't say anything about how much ethanol is present.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atoptiergas.com+"ethanol"
     
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    4th gen says 15%. I get the sense Toyota's just "caving" a little, there's nothing inherently different in the fuel systems??

    Page 738 (nuts, eh?) of the 2016 North American Prius Owner's Manual:

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    I only use Top Tier gas and when I filled up in January at a Phillips 66 and in July at an Exxon, both had 10% ethanol stickers on the pumps.
     
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    i always fill up on the turnpike. what is it these days, sunoco? never an issue. throw the guy a fiver, and he'll put some magic juice in too. :cool:
     
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    Yep, still Sunoco.
     
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    Yes, at least in urban Oregon. Self-serve was legalized for some rural counties just last year.
     
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    OK yes then definitely go for E10 on a 2012 PiP.
    But you should find most NJ pumps are labeled E10.

    Recently I believe Trump admin allowed E15 sales in the summer (now year round), but E10 is still the mandate and more common fuel.
    A few stations may have special blending pumps where you can dial in for E15 if you are politically inclined to use more ethanol. But NJ is probably not pushing that too much.
     
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    In Maryland yesterday on I-70 I noticed the pumps were not labeled re: Ethnaol content.
    Not sure if I got E0, E10, or E15....probably E10 though.
     
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    I heard (here I think) that 10% ethanol is pretty much mandatory in the States, regardless of octane level. So maybe they're thinking it's not necessary to note it, changing the regs.

    FWIW, at Canadian Shell station, I saw a sticker said in effect:

    Regular: 10%
    Mid-Grade: 5%
    High-Grade: 0%

    Which makes me think Mid-Grade is a 50/50 blend of the others?
     
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    In USA, the areas with Reformulated Gasoline (which I am guessing 40-50% of population) have mandated E10 10% ethnaol.
    The other areas have a quota of approx.10% ethanol and the gaso marketers must hit their quota or pay fines for being under-quota.
     
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    So in RFG areas, the pump usually says "CONTAINS 10% ETHANOL"
    In cnventional fuel areas, the pump usually says "CONTAINS UP TO 10% ETHNAOL"
     
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    Yeah ours say the latter, mostly. Except for Shell I think, the one I took a look a look at, at least. Oh and Chevron: 3 levels say the "contains up to 10%...", and the 4th (highest) level says something to the effect that it's ethanol-free.
     
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    For some background, the overall law is the Renewable Fuel Standard: Alternative Fuels Data Center: Renewable Fuel Standard

    Basically, refiners have a volume of renewable fuels they need to blend into their fuel supplies rather than a fixed % per gal. It just so happens the easiest way to meet the volume requirement is to blend 10% ethanol into as much fuel as possible. For example, the 2019 volume requirements are:
    • Cellulosic biofuel: 0.418 billion gallons
    • Biomass-based diesel: 2.1 billion gallons
    • Advanced biofuels: 4.92 billion gallons
    • Remainder of renewable fuels (basically corn ethanol): 12.48 billion gallons
     
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    I buy the more expensive E0 for my 2-cycle engines and old garden tractor. It is available at a few stations here.

    Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada
     
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    Ethanol is the cheapest and least toxic way to increase the octane rating and oxygenate the gasoline. Millions of drivers drive millions of miles daily using E10 without a problem. E10 works fine in my 2-stroke engines as long as I keep it fresh.

    U.S. law allows waivers to certain refiners under certain conditions so they can stop adding ethanol to the gasoline they produce. This has usually been small refiners. The last couple of years very large refiners, including ExxonMobil and Chevron, have been granted waivers to reduce their use of ethanol. This has seriously harmed some corn farmers and the ethanol production plants in farm country. Similar waivers have been granted to diesel refining harming soybean farmers where some of the production would have gone into biodiesel fuel.
     
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