Next Prime coming with solid state batteries?

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  1. kojack

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    Looks like toyota will be installing solid state batteries into Hybrids first. Sounds like a great upgrade for the prime. get like 150km out of a charge of a similar weight and size battery now. Also, charging is quicker. Going to be interesting to see what happens. I can't go full EV, but phev prime and rav are the sweet spot.
     
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    i doubt it, unless we have to wait until 2030 or later. did you read something specific?
     
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    2030 to the next prime?!? Why in the world wouldn't they stuff them into a RAV4!?! That makes no sense sense since that model is the hot selling thing now.
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    No. They’ll be installing a newer version of their Lithium Ion close to the NCM 811 variation in the next version of the Prime. The regular Prius might get the solid state because they can control the charge/discharge rate to make the battery last.

    I had stated in another post if they just replaced the batteries in the Prime with the newer NCM 811 they could get 113 km (~70 miles), maybe more with updated EV efficiencies in motors and Inverters. Would Toyota do a direct raw replacement? No, they would make the battery smaller and lighter and maybe extend the EV range between 88 to 98 km.

    Yes it will be interesting since Toyota has indicated they want more power out of their hybrids but make their EVs more efficient (read: slower). You could have a Prime with the 2.0L engine from the UX250h and a bigger battery - maybe even an AWD version. Or go with a smaller engine like the 1.5L and bigger motors. And for @bisco get rid of that hump in the cargo area and a higher lift back.


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    The Prius hump .... unnecessary & ridiculous.
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    If you have a product that is selling 'hot' you don't change it.
     
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    Solid-state battery is a technology that doesn't exist yet. Don't expect a technology that doesn't exist at the moment to find its way to the Prius in two years from now. It took many years to transition to lithium-ion despite the technology existing for quite a while. Toyota is especially conservative in new technologies. Take what you read in the news with a grain of salt.
     
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    Toyota has stated solid state will first be used in hybrids. Which presumably means the non-plug in kind.
     
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    Definitely looks like two design teams that did not talk or collaborate with each other. The rear seat team who assumed the seats folded down like every SUV and the old PiP they have and cargo design team who thought the battery was bigger than it was. I’m sure the battery design team told them we need a little space for air circulation and the cargo design people panicked and gave them an extra 3 inches (plus). You always wonder if perhaps there was a measurement mixup, like someone wanted 3 cm and they went ahead and went with 3 inches. Maybe it was discussed over a cell phone and when one caller asked well how much is a cm and the other end said “roughly 4 tens of an inch” but all they hear was “roughly <static> an inch”.


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    Close, but from hints buried in the reveal threads, it seems more likely that Toyota Corp built a second gen PiP. No loss of cargo space, but smaller battery with much lower range. When Toyota USA finally gets to see it, they go, "Wth, we can't sell this!" So Toyota had to redesign for a larger battery, and delay the release; or just cram in a bigger battery, for much lower cost.
     
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