Obama's Foot in Mouth Disease, or

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 14 2007, 04:46 PM) [snapback]495626[/snapback]</div>

Okay. *I'll* say it.

Yes you are a racist. This isn't the only comment you've made that reflects that. It's the same as when Rush Limbaugh and the Free Republic refer to him as Obama Osama. And you've been called on it before and you continue to show disrespect.

I notice the only two candidates that are not referred to by their last names are the woman and the black man. The women gets a condescending reference using her first name when she's not insulted with "Billary" or worse. The black man is constantly referred to with the name of a sadistic dictator. How come the white male democratic candidates aren't getting the same treatment? Or did I miss when you called Edwards "John Boy"? So I'm calling the rascist card. Start in on Hillary and I'll be calling the misogynist card. (Look it up.)

Why don't you name off the middle names of: Joe Biden, Christopher Dodd, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, or Bill Richardson? Why don't you use them for ANY of the Republican candidates? Because they're all white men?

I don't refer to Rudy Giuliani as R. William Louis Giuliani. I do not refer to John Edwards as J. Reid Edwards and I don't refer to Hillary Clinton as H. Diane Clinton. I refer to them with the names in which they wish to be referred. Mitt Romney doesn't like to be called Willard M. Romney and I'll respect that. Barack Obama dropped the use of Hussein, a family name from his Kenyan grandfather and reflecting his multicultural background, in 1996. His name is Barack Obama. Make a note of it.

So continue to refer to Obama as Hussein if you like, but when you're called a racist because of it, don't pull the innocent card or counterattack to try to misdirect. We're only calling a spade a spade. And subtlety isn't exactly your strong suit.

Back to ignoring you now.

 

D'ohberman

Doctor, please lay off the Hussein thing, you're insulting all of us with your, "what, who? me?" act. If you had not called him such, you would not now be fending off racist accusations.

Get it?

Probably not.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinto Girl @ Aug 14 2007, 07:20 PM) [snapback]495724[/snapback]</div>

Oh, gawd I LOVE IT!. It's so karmically descriptive.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 14 2007, 04:46 PM) [snapback]495626[/snapback]</div>

Yes, I said it smacks of racism because it does. As others have pointed out you have decided to call only one presidential candidate by his middle and last name, the black candidate with a muslim sounding name. You have done this for months. It is disrespectful, juvenile, and yes, racist.

So Senator Barak Hussein Obama happens to have the same middle name as the former dictator of Iraqi's last name and a name that is very common in middle eastern countries. Get over it.

When I use racist or inflammatory language to refer to individuals or groups of people, feel free to call me anything you would like.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 15 2007, 06:47 AM) [snapback]496022[/snapback]</div>

No I don't refer to President Bush as Bushitler. If someone continually posted threads about "Bushitler for months, yes I would say something.

However, I doubt anyone really needs to question your true feelings since you have started a new thread "Something for Nothing" in which you have said that Imus was correct to call the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy headed hoes" and "jigaboos". If these are acceptable terms for you then I have nothing more to say, you have said all that needs to be said yourself.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 14 2007, 03:56 PM) [snapback]495589[/snapback]</div>

I already did... why don't you go back and read it again, you responded to me with some absurd statement about shooting terrorists hiding behid womens skirts or something, despite the fact that i was talking about dropping bombs from planes, as Obama's statement said...

Seriously, can you even understand the concept of a conversation or a train of thought?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 15 2007, 08:45 AM) [snapback]496065[/snapback]</div>

anti-Semitic slur? Let me get this straight... relating an individual to a dog is anti-semitic if that individual happens to be black, but relating an individual to an enemy of the US isn't racist if that individual is black?


Also, i'd like to point out that back on December 7, 2006 you asked that we stop calling you doberman. With the exception of one or two time, it has stopped. you asked kindly, and we complied. You even thanked us for our cooperation. I would hope that you could provide us with the same cooperation in refraining from using a phrase that we find disgusting and crass.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Dec 7 2006, 09:46 AM) [snapback]358828[/snapback]</div>

 

Please explain to me how calling you doberman is anti-semitic. I don't call anyone else doberman. No jews, no christians, no budists, no one. Just you. As it's been explained numerous times, the name is derived from your chosen screen name, as dberman looks a lot like doberman. In fact, if you go back a year and look at the posts, i was using the term doberman well before i ever knew your religious preference.

Instead, what you're doing here is trying to hide behind a shield created by the millions of bodies produced during the holocaust. You don't like what someone is saying in attacking you, and rather than defend yourself in a proper manor, you label them an anti-semite in a vain attempt to get people on your side. You're extremely hypocritical if you think calling Obama by his middle name is any different at all from calling you doberman. Both are used in a condescending manor. Both are designed to relate the target of derision to something that isn't viewed in a positive manor. If you insist on saying that doberman is a anti-semitic term, than you have to acknowledge that calling Obama by his middle name, with the same end goal as when you are called doberman, is a racist comment.

By all means, ignore what i'm saying, or say that i'm not making sense. Saying that doesn't strengthen your position or make you right.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Aug 15 2007, 12:41 PM) [snapback]496249[/snapback]</div>

Regardless of the reasoning behind it, we do find it offensive when you use his middle name, just as you find it offensive when someone uses the term doberman. We've asked you to stop. We've explained that we find the manor in which you refer to him offensive.

What does it matter who finds the term offensive? The fact is you are intentionally offending many people on this board through your stubborn insistence of referring to him in this manor. When you told me you found the term doberman offensive, i stopped using it, as did most other people on this board. when we tell you we find something offensive, you should show us the same courtesy and respect.

As for calling it to your face, if we ever meet i will. gladly. while i will refrain from doing so here in an attempt to keep the conversation polite, i do find the comparison very apt. You're stubborn, make civil discussions personal, and have no apparent sense of decency, just like most dobermans i know.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Aug 15 2007, 02:34 PM) [snapback]496295[/snapback]</div>

Hey! I resent that!

 

Evan, the only thing I can think of is that perhaps Berman is a Jewish surname? I don't have the slightest clue, but that's the only thing I can think of that would make the insult anti-Semitic in any way, and even then, I think it's quite a stretch. :huh:

I absolutely don't think anyone in this thread thought it was an anti-Semitic insult except Mr. Berman himself. If such a 'doggy' insult had been applied to my surname, I would hardly think of it as an insult against the Irish, so regardless, I think he's being a bit oversensitive (or just using it as a smokescreen for his own silliness) about the whole thing.

Deliberately referring to Mr. Obama by his middle name, though, is an attempt to associate him with an infamous character, thereby insinuating that he, too, is of unsavory character. The doberman insult is childish, but no more childish than the intent of Mr. Berman when he wrote his post. And I thought the 'doberman' post illustrated that well.

Now, I'm just waiting on an exhilirating round of "I know you are, but what am I?"

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Aug 15 2007, 12:02 PM) [snapback]496206[/snapback]</div>

Ban him already. In what way is his behavior different than any other troll except for the fact he's been here longer? And maybe owns a Prius. None of that gives him carte blanche.

(And you'd be surprised what I'd say face to face. I'm exceptionally polite on the internet.)