Obama's running

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jan 22 2007, 01:30 PM) [snapback]378983[/snapback]</div>

:lol:

What an EXCELLENT POINT!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Jan 22 2007, 01:37 PM) [snapback]378988[/snapback]</div>

:lol:

We have, you simply refuse to accept them as realistic.

I'll be the first one to state how shallow some of those reasons are, but it's reality, and that's pretty much all there is to it. He could be qualified up the wazoo, but we're still to racist to elect him to the throne. I agree fully with Berman, we'll see a woman first before someone like Obama...

...and since when have the majority of voters started thinking otherwise? :lol:

Those who argue we were stupid enough to elect Bush for two terms, what makes you think everyone has all of a sudden "wisened" up to elect what they consider qualified candidates?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jan 22 2007, 08:30 AM) [snapback]378983[/snapback]</div>

While there are some Atheists who do (in my opinion) try to force their beliefs on others (Michael Newdow comes to mind), I see them far less frequently. Maybe it's because I'm an Atheist myself. Maybe it's because the majority of the country is Christian. Maybe it's a combination of factors. But either way, I know what I see.

As for Hillary, a quick glance at her voting record and campaign finances doesn't show anything to immediately keep me from voting for her. It's still far too early to go into any detail, I'll do that later. The same goes for Obama.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jan 19 2007, 01:13 PM) [snapback]377792[/snapback]</div>

HAHAHA. I love this. Do you think Rudy, McCain, or Mit Romney can actually win the republican nomination? McCain might be able to because over the last 8 years he's sold his soul to the devil and given up on his atypical 21st century republican beliefs (remember he couldn't win the nomination in 00 because he was "too liberal". Rudy Giuliani (someone I have enormous respect for) is divorced and lived with a mistress while married to his ex wife, Mit Romney could even be called a liberal for some of his record and accomplishments. There is no way in hell the staunch Jesus-freak republicans are going to elect any of them. THATS symptomatic of the poor choices the REPUBLICANS have made that lost them the senate, the house, the majority of the nations governorships, and that will loose them the presidency in 08. They will elect some weak, Bob Dole lookalike party mainliner that will get WHOOPED by the dems. Just liked they got whooped in 06.

I switched my party affiliation from republican to democrat in 05 because of my disdain for the current leadership of the party. If Rudy or Mit Romney get elected, I will happily change it back. Those guys are real republicans.

And guys, don't waste your time arguing with dbermanmd. He's proven himself to be a hateful bigot in this thread. Anyways, someone who would make their screen name on a car board "D Berman M.D." is so full of thesmselves they're not worth talking to anyways.

And Doc, the whole "why don't you tell me that to my face" routine is beneath you, if you really are a doctor.

 

Just for any right-wingers still hoping Obama attended a "madrassa"

CNN debunks false report about Obama
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/oba...assa/index.html

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Jan 21 2007, 07:36 PM) [snapback]378952[/snapback]</div>

It's your party that painted McCain an unstable nutjob in order to elect Bush. If McCain wasn't fit then he's still not fit and for the same reasons.

Or are the Republicans going to FLIP FLOP?

Personally, I will never vote for McCain for the way he took the back stabbing and then rolled over, licked the hand that stabbed him and abandoned everything he stood for. Good party man. Very loyal. Team player.

STUPID.

I would have voted for him in 2000.

I'll never vote for him now.

Oh, and I think Giuliani is a crook that treats women like sh¡t.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MegansPrius @ Jan 22 2007, 06:15 PM) [snapback]379201[/snapback]</div>

Don't worry about the facts.

Enough NeoCon websites will keep reporting the lies and use each other as citations to prove its the truth.

"What would Goebbels Do?"

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MegansPrius @ Jan 22 2007, 03:15 PM) [snapback]379201[/snapback]</div>

Typical for the left to blame the right for their own lies. LOL!

I find this paragraph most interesting. . .

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

Whose smearing whom first? Godiva you paying attention? Wake up girl, reality complete with all the facts just zooooomed right past the top of yo little ol' hed! [attachmentid=6292]


Wildkow

p.s. I told you she was a highly experienced pol, didn't I?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Jan 22 2007, 03:30 PM) [snapback]379210[/snapback]</div>

Godiva, go read Megans link again! So like you to blame the right for something the left is doing to itself. :lol:

Wildkow

p.s. Don't worry about the facts? You do know what those are don't you? Cause after reading this kind of CR@P you certainly seem to have all the lies down pat. [attachmentid=6292]

 

Did you read beyond the second paragraph? Selective reading seems to be a weakness, or at least, taking bits and pieces out of context to support and already formed opinion.

But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.

He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.

"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."


How much you want to bet NeoCons will continue to report Barack HUSSEIN Obama attended a Madrassa?


Fox News and was also referenced by the New York Post, The Glenn Beck program on CNN Headline News and a number of political blogs.


And the NeoCons will post it on all of their websites and cite each other to prove it's true.

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
-President Bush

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over†Joseph Goebbels
http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/joseph_goebbels/

I noticed your Fox er... Faux tagline quotes are gone. What happened? Don't you stand by your selective quotes?

"MegansPrius:
Posting real quotes or quotes in context would be better. For example

REAL QUOTES

1."You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say." -- President Bill Clinton
Full quote: "The plan cuts the deficit by $500 billion, cuts a quarter of a trillion dollars in Government spending, asks the wealthy who can best afford to pay their fair share, invests in education and jobs, and rewards work instead of welfare.
[At this point, audience members interrupted the President's remarks. ]
Let me tell you something—wait a minute. You know one thing that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a chance to have their fair say. My budget did more to fight AIDS than any in history, and we're having to put up with this. Tell them to let me talk. If you want to give a speech, go out there and raise your own crowd. We'll be glad to listen to you.
So there were those—I'll make you a deal. I'll ignore them if you will.

President William Clinton addressing the people of Philadelphia, May 28, 1993 in the Courtyard, City Hall, Philadelphia, PA.

2. "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans." -- President Bill Clinton
Full quote: "I think -- you know, we can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to legitimately own handguns and rifles -- it's something I strongly support -- we can't be so fixated on that that we are unable to think about the reality of life that millions of Americans face on streets that are unsafe, under conditions that no other nation -- no other nations -- has permitted to exist."-- Remarks and a Question-and-Answer Session at the Adult Learning Center in New Brunswick, New Jersey, March 1st, 1993

FAKE QUOTES
You can read the transcripts of his MTV interviews on http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ search his speeches (by keyword, by phrase) and guess what? You won't find him saying either of these.

3. The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people" -- President Bill Clinton
Not a real quote. Attributed to Clinton on MTV in 1993 or 1994. FAKE

4. "If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees." -- President Bill Clinton
attributed to an august 12, 1993 speech FAKE"

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Jan 22 2007, 06:46 PM) [snapback]379275[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'>
Did you read beyond the second paragraph? Selective reading seems to be a weakness, or at least, taking bits and pieces out of context to support and already formed opinion.

But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.

He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.

"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."
How much you want to bet NeoCons will continue to report Barack HUSSEIN Obama attended a Madrassa?


TRUE![/b] How can I argue with that kind of logic?

Wildkow

p.s. Check - - - Dreams Of My Father (p.142), by B.H. Obama where Obama himself writes about attending a muslim school. BTW the fact that he did or did not attend this so called muslim school isn't my point. My point is that it was a different end of the political spectrum that released the info.

and this link concerning my tag line . . . http://priuschat.com/index.php?s=&show...st&p=378624

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Jan 23 2007, 10:42 AM) [snapback]379467[/snapback]</div>

And furthermore, Obama attended his school in 1969-71, and the militant Islam and madrassas we think of as scary (i.e., in Pakistan and Iran) really only came into broad influence after 1980, through the Iranian revolution and recruitment of fighters against the soviets in Afghanistan. And the CNN reporter, as he states, is familiar with militant islam:
"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."
By the way, madrassa is simply the arabic word for school.

And the one Obama went is just down the street from the home of the US ambassador. So I'm guessing its not a hotbed of international terrorism. http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/224517,...sweet23.article

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Jan 23 2007, 09:42 AM) [snapback]379467[/snapback]</div>

Speaking of Catholic schools, there's this little tidbit in the article that's being conveniently ignored:

So, let's see if I have this right. He spent two years in a Muslim school, two years in a Catholic school and is a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Obviously those two years of Muslim schooling when he was a young child are far more important than anything else.

The continued attempts to paint him as Muslim --be it through the use of his middle name or mentioning a Muslim school he went too-- smacks of desperation. If the neo-cons really believed that he's unelectable and doesn't stand a chance against anyone they run in '08, they wouldn't be trying to tear him down so much. They wouldn't even mention him. You never hear about Christopher Dodd, John Edwards, Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich, Tom Vilsack or Joe Biden. It's only Hillary or Barack. Why? They're not perceived as real threats.

 

Politics in America has always been a filthy business: Lies, deceit, smears, mud-slinging. And they do it because it works: the public puts credence in whatever it hears. And the American public is so poorly-educated, and so ignorant of the most basic thinking skills, that it is incapable of judging the claims. People who are unwilling to learn the facts surrounding the issues believe it is their duty to vote even when (as is often the case) they vote at random, and people who do understand the issues are as likely as not to be so completely opposed to both of the major parties that they prefer not to vote than to give their approval to either pack of criminals. Meanwhile, both parties are beholden to the same interests, so that the people and institutions that truly run the show are unaffected by the outcomes of the elections.

I do vote, and if Obama gets on the ballot I will vote for him. But I don't get my knickers in a knot over a system I cannot influence, and which makes so little difference to the path the country takes.

 

let's not forget the electoral college....... popular vote doesn't always win!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(barbaram @ Jan 23 2007, 05:57 PM) [snapback]379813[/snapback]</div>

That is the way the system was designed. Rule by the majority scared the living daylights out of the founding fathers.

Wildkow

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Jan 24 2007, 08:11 AM) [snapback]380057[/snapback]</div>

You certainly would not accuse me of being a Republican. And if Obama runs I will vote for him. But I think you are giving Democrats too much credit when you assume that half of traditional Democratic voters would vote for a Black Democrat. Many Democrats are profoundly racist. Some of them might accept a very light-skinned Black VP candidate, but a Black presidential candidate with a Hispanic VP candidate would (in my opinion) lose a lot more than half the traditional Democratic vote.

You also ignore the traditional tensions between Blacks and Hispanics. Many Hispanics would not vote for a Black president merely because the VP candidate was Hispanic. When I was in prison I was surprised to find that both Black and Hispanic inmates liked me (though I could well have been seen as representing the White oppressor) but did not get along nearly as well with each other. And a week before I arrived at El Reno, some Hispanic inmates had intervened to prevent the rape of a white inmate by Black inmates. There was a lot of chatter still going on about it when i arrived. Why would Hispanics have cared about a White? Partly the Hispanic/Catholic homophobia (since the issue was a forced sex act between men) but I think it was also deep-seeded animosity between the two racial groups. And contrary to the views of some, I contend that prison populations are very representative of poor populations in general, since poverty is a far greater indication of liklihood of imprisonment than is real criminal activity.

In short, I think your assumptions are far too optimistic.

I also cannot imagine the Democrats nominating a slate of two people of color. For that matter, I do not believe they will put a person of color on the lead spot. And traditionally they mix their own spectrum: a conservative Democrat runs with a liberal Democrat. I also think that the Democrats (profoundly racist and sexist) would not run a woman with a person of color. I could see Obama getting the VP slot beside a conservative Democrat. I could see Clinton getting offered the VP slot likewise, beside a conservative Democrat, though it would surprise me greatly if she would accept the second position. Obama is young enough that he might accept such an offer.

 

For those reasons and others I've already stated I think Obama is going to be the VP on the ticket. President won't be Hillary. Yes, she can raise big bucks but I truly believe that more people will vote for a black man than a white woman.

If Edwards ends up being on the ticket I see Obama as his VP. And after they win and serve their terms, Obama then running for President. And winning.

 

Elect Jessie Jackson + Obama!
Then we will watch the fall of the white man, even though we are all equial? (the same)

Ever notice its ok to have JET magazine, the BET channel, and TV shows that put down white people as being stupid, Sanford & Son, Good times, ect. ect. and several other shows.

Now if you play a all white show or TV channel or you have an all white magazine your a racist and the ACLU's gonna sue the pants off of you.. :huh:

Anyone else know of other black TV shows that degrade white people?
:mellow:
I will continue to vote for who I think is the lesser of the other running evils.....