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Official (OEM) Toyota Prius 2016 (Gen 4) oil-change instructions

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Gokhan, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. Mendel Leisk

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    Yes it is. :(

    The spin-on is less fuss, and maybe more dependable?

    Too, it was just a very tempting mod. (y)
     
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    Probably, in theory; Practically, tossing an oil-soaked filter into the paper bin gets recyclers' panties in a knot. Its like cheese-soaked pizza boxes, it "contaminates" the scrap. Toss a can full of oil-soaked paper into the metals bin, and nary an eyebrow is raised. Those organics won't last where they are going. ;)
     
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    True. But assuming all the shop waste is considered hazardous and treated accordingly, is it possible to retrofit a paper-filter style filter in place of a spin-on? Does anyone make such cartridges with replaceable filter elements?
     
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    Spin-on oil filters are completely recyclable and normally recycled; so, I don't understand the fuss about them here. I have always had mine recycled when I did my own oil changes by taking them to Autozone or Pep Boys along with my used oil.

    https://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/usedoil/filters/

    Having a spin-on oil filter has a lot of advantages. For example you can upgrade to a premium synthetic oil filter with high efficiency and high capacity from the standard OEM oil filter. Replacing it is a lot easier, with something going wrong much less likely. Obviously Toyota had a lot of problems with cartridge oil filters, likely warranty claims to replace damaged engines due to improperly installed oil-filter cartridges, and that's why they have gone back to spin-on oil filters.
     
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    At first I thought that 0w16 was probably manufacturers attempting to squeeze a little more mileage out of their engines. But after a little more research it's starting to sound like 0w16 may be better designed for cold weather, quick-start applications, and may contain detergents and additives that would enable low emission engines to run cleaner for longer. And then there was that gen 3 cold weather knock issue that seemed completely unrelated....but a little pressure in the wrong place on the wrong day.... It's really difficult to get reliable data on anything oil related.
     
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    SAE 0W-16 is for better fuel economy, but with the way these engines are designed, it won't result in a noticeable loss in engine endurance if at all. Meanwhile SAE 0W-12 and SAE 0W-8 are on the way with the new JASO GLV-1 specification.
     
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    I purchased the oil, filter, from Toyota and bought the filter wrench and changed it myself. It was painless and felt more confident that I can save some money and do it right.
     
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    Last time I tried to recycle filters along with the oil at Autozone, they said, "No. Throw them in the trash."
     
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    You can also get the Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-16 from Walmart at an excellent price ($24.97 per 5 qt), which is Group IV PAO-based (with a dash of Group V AN) and an upgrade over the Group III GTL-based Toyota Genuine Motor Oil 0W-16, also made by ExxonMobil. It will last longer and keep your engine cleaner.
     
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    That is strange. I've never had this issue with AutoZone. Oil-filter recycling may be different in Michigan than in California.
     
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    I always return my used oil to the Toyota dealer that I refuse to use for service or buy anything from ever again due to the most horrible purchase experience I ever had. My used oil is about all they deserve...
     
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    I do not even do that for my local dealer. The last time I tried them for sales they would not budge on their price. The last time I tried their service they botched the free 5K tire rotation and inspection on the car I bought elsewhere.
     
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    I don't understand the quality difference between the Group IV and Toyota's III. Can you explain or provide some links.

    I guess I would still buy the filter from Toyota for replacement as I am not sure of the quality of other manufacturers.

    By the way I installed Femoto valve, to make change easier it works great
    F103SX: New Generation Valve with 12mm-1.25 Threads
     
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    API Group IV (polyalphaolefin (PAO)) and Group V (anything else made in a laboratory other than PAO, such as polyol ester (POE) or alkylated naphthalene (AN)) base oils are true synthetics made in a laboratory. They are several times more expensive than the refined mineral oil (API Group I), severely hydroprocessed petroleum-based oils (API Group II and Group III, the latter also called synthetic thanks to a decades-oil ruling by National Advertising Division (NAD) of the Council of Better Business Bureaus after a feud between Castrol and Mobil 1) that are made in refineries. GTL (gas-to-liquid) is a top-quality Group III base oil that starts from natural gas instead of petroleum, resulting in higher purity and better properties.

    You may not necessarily see a performance difference between Group IV PAO and cheaper Group III and GTL synthetics, as the additive package is also crucial.

    However, I am pretty confident that the Mobil 1 is of higher quality than TGMO (Toyota Genuine Motor Oil), both made by ExxonMobil. Moreover, you can probably get the Mobil 1 for cheaper than TGMO at Walmart. If you use 0W-20, I recommend Mobil 1 Extended Performance 0W-20, which is PAO-based, but not the GTL-based Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-20. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-16 is PAO-based. PAO shows as "decene" in ExxonMobil MSDSs.

    As for the filter, Fram Ultra synthetic-media oil filter is considered to be the best oil filter by car enthusiasts—in efficiency, capacity, and construction. It is available at Walmart and on Amazon. However, it is more expensive than the Toyota 90915-YZZF2. XG3614 and the oversized XG3600 should both fit. However, the oversized XG3600 has got very expensive (used to be of the same price) and make sure to add about 5/16 quarts more oil with it than with the OEM oil filter or until the oil is at the correct level after warm-up. With XG3614 add about 1/8 quarts more oil than with the OEM oil filter.
     
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    More info?

    Maybe Canada's different, and I'm buying bulk TGMO 0W20 from a dealership (bring my own reusable container), but fwiw, I'm getting the Toyota oil currently for $2.80 CDN per liter, roughly $2 USD per US quart. Basically peanuts; the cost of the drain bolt washer almost rivals the oil cost, lol.
     
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    Does Toyota dealers in the US required to use TGMO (Toyota Genuine Motor Oil) for their services? I am asking this because when I get regular oil and lube done at my local Toyota dealer, they put the "Your Next Oil Change" sticker with printed Pennzoil logo. I never asked the service manager at the dealer, but I have a suspicion that dealers use whatever the cheapest bulk oil they can get and not necessarily Genuine Toyota brand.
     
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    Yeah the thing with bulk oil is trust. Funny thing: you can pour any oil into a bottle with any label. I take them at their word, have used nothing but TGMO 0W20 (knock on wood...) since we got the car (new).

    In the earlier years I purchased bottled, but was getting depressed about all the empties I was adding to the recycle stream. I can say the appearance of the bulk oil is identical to the bottled.

    I suppose I could buy a bottled liter, and get it analyzed, compared to the bulk. But yeah, trust.
     
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    Are appearances of different brands of oils of the same or very similar grade different? That is, by looking at the oils in the clear bottles, can you tell the difference between Toyota Genuine or Honda Genuine or Mobil or Pennzoil or heck the Amazon's own cheap brand?
     
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    The only thing I've noticed is with the Toyota 0W20, either bottled or bulk, it's quite amber colored, when poured into a measuring pitcher. To be fair, I've only started using a pitcher with the Prius, not sure how previous oils I've used (in the past, with other cars) would compare.
     
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    For my most-recent oil change I bought 5qts. of Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0W-20 at our regional supermarket for $22.xx and got a $10 prepaid VISA card via online rebate. The Fram XG10358(?) filter was about the same price as the after-rebate oil.
     
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