Oil Catch Can, Anyone?

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Rebound, Jul 24, 2025 at 9:58 AM.

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    In the Gen III Prius, an oil catch can definitely prolonged engine life, because it traps oil which would otherwise be drawn into the engine's intake. Because the Prius is direct-injected, this oil is not washed off by the gasoline and the intake and valves get coated with oil. The oil burns in the combustion chamber, and it then gets blown into the catalytic converter and into the EGR, where it can foul the EGR cooler and EGR valve.

    With our 2026 Prius about to arrive, I wanted to know if anyone's installed an OCC on theirs.

    At first, I thought the PCV was the big hose on top of the engine, leading into the air intake. But then I checked the service manual, and found that it routes into the throttle body. It is Item 10 in the picture below, and not *3, which I had first thought.
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    Update: It appears impossible to install an oil catch can on this engine. The PCV valve vents directly into the intake manifold, without any hose whatsoever. To access the PCV valve, you must remove the intake manifold.
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    BTW, no Prius is/has been direct injection only. Gen1 through gen4 were port injected, and gen5 is both port and direct injected so the intake valves are still getting washed with fuel.
     
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    Wow, that's a revelation. Thwarted... :(
     
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    Hammersmith beat me on the post.

    Personal oil catch can use. Outback has one case it is direct injected. Had one on the 2000 Ranger cause the old Vulcan 3L had known carbon build up and dieseling issues. The new Duratec in the 2001 Sable should have had one. The line from the PCV value and intake manifold was really short; could see an oil film in there.

    In general, an oil catch can could be a good idea. Assuming there is place for it, and the additional maintenance isn't a hassle. Thinking on remounting the Outback's now for the latter.

    Not familiar with other designs, but there is some baffle system before the PCV valve in the crankcase. That could reduce oil getting to the intake by condensing oil mist out.
     
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    But the Gen III still had substantial problems caused by the PCV delivering oil into the air intake. Even with port injection cleaning off the intake valves, you still get burnt oil in the exhaust, which leads to a clogged EGR and damage to the catalytic converter. This lead to head gasket failures on the Gen III.

    With this engine, we will need to remove the intake manifold periodically to inspect for oil build up. Or, perhaps we can remove the EGR pipe to inspect for oil deposits. I don’t have the car yet, so I haven’t been able to assess what’s needed, if anything.
     
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    Yes, the PCV sits much higher than it did on the Gen III engine, which is a big improvement. In a Gen III Prius, it was standard to see about two tablespoons of oil pooled beneath the throttle body, on any model. We will need other inspection and remediation measures, like EGR cleaning, if oil gets through the PCV.
     
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    Or you can realize that the gen3 engine problem was from 15 years ago on a completely different engine.




    I'm also in the camp that believes the bulk of the EGR problems were actually symptoms of oil blow-by from the low tension rings and poor oil change intervals, but that's neither here nor there.


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    If the engines were the same, then we would already know that a catch can is necessary. It is easily proven, because you can pull the air intake off the throttle body of any Gen III Prius, open the plate, and you’ll see a puddle of oil. It’s always there and it gets there from the PCV. For sure. The other factors you mentioned are also possible, but for sure the PCV is a problem.

    This gets us to the other point: We do not know if oil is entering this engine from the PCV. Maybe it does, maybe it does not. Because of its design, it may be difficult to determine.
     
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    Well, I've got dual Moroso cans in series, but have no expectations it'll "cure" the carbonning up of the EGR system. My timeline:

    2017 September, 70k kms: installed single Moroso air/oil separator and did full EGR system cleaning
    2020 January, 85k kms: installed second Moroso, in series
    2022 November, 96k kms: did a second full EGR cleaning

    At the second EGR cleaning there was light carbon build-up again, roughly what you'd expect, considering the much shorter interval compared to first.

    In short, an OCC "may" reduce carbon build up in the EGR system, but it's by no means a panacea.
     
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    I bet you no longer get a puddle of oil in the throttle body.
     
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    Still get a slight amount. Haven’t had the intake of in a while to check.

    I’m changing the oil/filter, and draining the oil catch cans (from below), once a year now, mid April. The second oil catch can ( they’re in series) usually has a bit more than the first. The first is mostly oil, and the second mostly water.