Oil Change: 18 Months Or 15,000 Miles

Discussion in 'Prime Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Rob43, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. Mendel Leisk

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    Bulk oil here, got tired of adding countless oil contam’d bottles to the “recycle stream”.
     
  2. Laura-Ann

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    My 2¢ worth on oil change intervals for PHEV vehicles: Since there is no way that I know of to get the Prius Prime to display the actual run time on the ICE on the car's instrument panel, it is necessary to get an OBDII scanner that can read PID codes. PID 7F (Mode 1) is supposed to be the total run time on the engine. I have not tested this yet since I don't have an OBD scanner dongle, but I have one on order. If your average driving speed is 50 mph, then it takes 20 hours to drive 1,000 miles. Now, Toyota states oil change interval for Prius and Prius Prime as 10,000 miles/1 year. I am not comfortable with this, for the following reason: Even the best oil filters only trap carbon and metal particles down to about 5 microns in size. The OEM Toyota 90915-YZZF2 filters probably aren't quite as good as the top-of-the-line K&N filters, and I'd guess they only catch particles >8 microns. So over time, the motor oil is accumulating an ever greater load of ultra-fine carbon particles that are too small for the filter to trap, and the high-speed moving parts of the engine, especially the piston rings and crankshaft bearings, are being continuously exposed to this ultra-fine grit. It is my gut feeling that if you intend to have your car for a long time and get 250,000 or more miles of life out of the engine, changing oil more frequently will help you achieve this.

    Now, 10,000 miles would more-or-less equate to 200 hours of run time if all of the driving was on the freeway. But if you mostly drive in city traffic, you might accumulate 200 hours of run time in only 5,000 miles. In 10,000 miles in a Prius, you would have burned 180 gallons of gas. In a Prius Prime, that's harder to determine unless you keep track of actual gasoline purchases, which I do. So, if 10,000 miles takes 180 gallons of gas, then 5,000 miles takes 90 gallons, and that's how I do my oil changes in a Prius Prime: when I have burned 90~100 gallons of gasoline, I do an oil change, whether the oil looks dirty or not. In a newer Toyota, the oil probably won't look dirty yet at the "100 gallons driven" mark, but I change the oil anyway, to get rid of those tiny, <5 micron size, carbon particles and metal shavings that the filter isn't catching.
     
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    Just for your information, PP displays EV ratio for the life on Drive Monitor. If you never reset it, the number corresponding to ODO is for the lifetime. This is the % of the EV-driven portion. Note this is not EV Mode driven portion, meaning it includes both EV mode and EV portion of the HV Mode. Thus one can estimate what % of ODO miles are actually driven on the gas engine.

    This was the photo of my 2017 PP on the last day before I traded it. ~40kmiles and 60% were on EV. Thus the engine run ~16kmiles. During this period ~2.5 years, I had 3 oil changes and was due for the 4th oil change if I kept the car. So the average engine miles for the oil change interval was ~5300miles. I think that's good enough for me. Especially for me, considering no car is going to last longer than 10 years in our climate without major rust-related issues. I have come to accept the fact that as long as I drive in winter, I have to replace my car before the engine failure.
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  4. BiomedO1

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    Mobil 1 Advance 0w16 is only warranted for a 5 year shelf life, 10k mile or annual oil change required - there's also an OEM disclaimer. So it looks like we're required to do an annual oil change. Neither the official Valvoline or Castrol websites list details of 0W-16 oil - just hasn't been updated, since their oil is on the market. At least I couldn't find it.

    Mobil 1™ limited warranty | Mobil™

    I'm burning about 8 gallons a month, assuming 53 mpg on HV - my 10K mile ICE change interval would be 22.5 months. I was going to split the difference and do a 18 month change interval, which would put me around 7500 miles. If all the oil providers place this sort of disclaimer on their products; we're forced to do annual changes.
     
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    You’re not “forced” to do much, if anything. Still, it’s good to make informed decisions, set your own rules.
     
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    I stand by 75% of recommended mileage ( 7500 vs 10000 ) for oil change or 6 month which ever comes first...
    That may change as I moving onto new vehicle with new recommended oil change interval...

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  7. Myles Vance

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    I changed the oil in the Chevy Volt that I used to own 3 times in the 70,000 miles that I drove it. The Volt's computer tracked engine use and based the oil change interval on that rather than a hard limit based on total vehicle miles driven. I believe the car would demand an oil change after around 7500 miles of ICE driving or 2 years.

    One of the questions I asked the salesman when I bought my Prime was about the oil change interval, I was surprised to hear that it did not function like the Volt. So far I am around 85% EV with 8500 miles, I plan to change the oil every 10k miles as recommended by Toyota but I would not hesitate to wait longer based on my driving if I weren't concerned about maintenance logs affecting resale value or potential warranty work in the future. If I had a conventional Prius then I would get the oil changed every 5k miles, but the engine in my Prime sees so little use that even doing it every 10k feels like a waste. It seems like an attempt to compromise without developing complex software to track the engine use for the maintenance reminder like the Volt had.
     
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