Oil hits new high

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ Sep 12 2007, 01:30 PM) [snapback]511444[/snapback]</div>

If you think FHOP posters are representative of the "average joe" then maybe it is you who needs to expand your frame of reference. This board is dominated by far left thinkers compared to the average person, and I don't think "most" people really give a rats nice person whether the Prius is clean or not, just whether it reduces their fuel costs. Sure there is the fringe that is motivated by other reasons, but it is exactly that, the fringe. Which is where most posters on FHOP are, too. "Most" people aren't nearly as educated, informed, or concerned about environmental issues as those here. And I would bet that if a vehicle was produced that delivered 150 to 200 miles per gallon, but was a big polluter, "most" of the people in your area would switch as soon as they could. Human Nature, it's called.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ Sep 12 2007, 01:30 PM) [snapback]511444[/snapback]</div>

If you think FHOP posters are representative of the "average joe" then maybe it is you who needs to expand your frame of reference. This board is dominated by far left thinkers compared to the average person, and I don't think "most" people really give a rats nice person whether the Prius is clean or not, just whether it reduces their fuel costs. Sure there is the fringe that is motivated by other reasons, but it is exactly that, the fringe. Which is where most posters on FHOP are, too. "Most" people aren't nearly as educated, informed, or concerned about environmental issues as those here. And I would bet that if a vehicle was produced that delivered 150 to 200 miles per gallon, but was a big polluter, "most" of the people in your area would switch as soon as they could. Human Nature, it's called.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Sep 12 2007, 12:11 PM) [snapback]511465[/snapback]</div>

In Canada, Global Warming/Environment Issues are regularly our number one or two concerns in nationwide, public opinion polls. Now the economy has been good for long time which helps a lot to get people thinking beyond their immediate financial needs, but I still find this encouraging. I think the Prius is largely a hit because the majority of buyers do want to help protect the environment and saving money on gas is just seen as a bonus - generally speaking of course. I think there is awareness out there that there is a problem and when people are given clear ways to become part of the solution, people are often eager to get on board. When PHEVs and EVs come to market, I'm sure they will do well and find a significant market. Still, much more needs to be done to raise awareness.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(05_SilverPri @ Sep 12 2007, 12:11 PM) [snapback]511465[/snapback]</div>

In Canada, Global Warming/Environment Issues are regularly our number one or two concerns in nationwide, public opinion polls. Now the economy has been good for long time which helps a lot to get people thinking beyond their immediate financial needs, but I still find this encouraging. I think the Prius is largely a hit because the majority of buyers do want to help protect the environment and saving money on gas is just seen as a bonus - generally speaking of course. I think there is awareness out there that there is a problem and when people are given clear ways to become part of the solution, people are often eager to get on board. When PHEVs and EVs come to market, I'm sure they will do well and find a significant market. Still, much more needs to be done to raise awareness.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Sep 12 2007, 02:32 PM) [snapback]511478[/snapback]</div>

I also think the members of PC are more center thinking than the average poster in FHOP. As for the transportation status qou, there has to be a demand for cleaner, more efficient vehicles before they will be produced. This is because the manufacturer's think it is cheaper to build dirty, inefficient vehicles. Environmental concerns helped create that demand and Toyota is trying to meet it with the Prius. As it succeeds others will try to jump in too. But I believe the big demand will come when the price of gasoline rises to the point that it is difficult for the middle class to deal with. As the price of oil (and more specifically, gasoline) goes up, so does interest in having options to large, low mileage vehicles. I don't know where that price point is for most though. For me, we are already past it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Sep 12 2007, 02:32 PM) [snapback]511478[/snapback]</div>

I also think the members of PC are more center thinking than the average poster in FHOP. As for the transportation status qou, there has to be a demand for cleaner, more efficient vehicles before they will be produced. This is because the manufacturer's think it is cheaper to build dirty, inefficient vehicles. Environmental concerns helped create that demand and Toyota is trying to meet it with the Prius. As it succeeds others will try to jump in too. But I believe the big demand will come when the price of gasoline rises to the point that it is difficult for the middle class to deal with. As the price of oil (and more specifically, gasoline) goes up, so does interest in having options to large, low mileage vehicles. I don't know where that price point is for most though. For me, we are already past it.

 

I am a Republican and proud of it! I look at most subjects with as open a mind as possible and ready to learn. Unfortunately people have become jaded by the sad state of our news media/entertainment industry and political system. Most people can't see past the end of their nose, so if you wish to impress them, the situation or message must hit them in the sniffer. My sister got rid of her SUV, that I lobbied against because of fuel prices and such when she got it, for an almost new Cobalt. People are still switching to autos from SUVs. Sadly there is a lack of product on the market in the fuel efficent SUV/Truck segment that current drivers of gas pigs can switch to.

 

I am a Republican and proud of it! I look at most subjects with as open a mind as possible and ready to learn. Unfortunately people have become jaded by the sad state of our news media/entertainment industry and political system. Most people can't see past the end of their nose, so if you wish to impress them, the situation or message must hit them in the sniffer. My sister got rid of her SUV, that I lobbied against because of fuel prices and such when she got it, for an almost new Cobalt. People are still switching to autos from SUVs. Sadly there is a lack of product on the market in the fuel efficent SUV/Truck segment that current drivers of gas pigs can switch to.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Sep 12 2007, 12:32 PM) [snapback]511478[/snapback]</div>

That was my big reason for buying a Prius.

I find it interesting that people complain about Exxon making big bucks, but do you realize they are the 12th largest producer of oil? Who are the other 11? State run oil companies. People don't complain about the Saudis, Venezuela or Russia making money hand over fist.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ Sep 12 2007, 12:32 PM) [snapback]511478[/snapback]</div>

That was my big reason for buying a Prius.

I find it interesting that people complain about Exxon making big bucks, but do you realize they are the 12th largest producer of oil? Who are the other 11? State run oil companies. People don't complain about the Saudis, Venezuela or Russia making money hand over fist.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spoid @ Sep 12 2007, 03:45 PM) [snapback]511568[/snapback]</div>

US legislators can't too much about those entities. Exxon is in trouble really, because more and more oil is getting nationalized. Many of the fields that aren't are in decline. Exxon et al are facing a tough situation. This doesn't really have a lot to do with the price of oil, but there it is. What's a barrel trading at today? What is the price of sour crude doing compared to sweet?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Spoid @ Sep 12 2007, 03:45 PM) [snapback]511568[/snapback]</div>

US legislators can't too much about those entities. Exxon is in trouble really, because more and more oil is getting nationalized. Many of the fields that aren't are in decline. Exxon et al are facing a tough situation. This doesn't really have a lot to do with the price of oil, but there it is. What's a barrel trading at today? What is the price of sour crude doing compared to sweet?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darwood @ 2007 09 14 08:04) [snapback]512500[/snapback]</div>

A few days in Club Rehab should make the feeling go away. Seems to work for everybody else. <_<