Okada Projects Plasma Direct Coils

So, the very one that fuzzy1 linked to back in #38, that applies to "2003 and older vehicles", and not to any flavor of Prius, and that has these paragraphs on page 2 (I didn't add the capitalization, it's in there):

THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A CERTIFICATION, ACCREDITATION,
APPROVAL, OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF ENDORSEMENT BY THE AIR RESOURCES
BOARD OF ANY CLAIMS OF THE APPLICANT CONCERNING ANTI-POLLUTION BENEFITS
OR ANY ALLEGED BENEFITS OF THE PLASMA DIRECT AND PLASMA BOOSTER.

No claim of any kind, such as "Approved by the Air Resources Board", may be made with
respect to the action taken herein in any advertising or other oral or written communication.
​

It's probably a good idea to avoid saying stuff that would sound like a claim of some kind of approval or endorsement by CARB, based on an order that clearly says not to.

 

Here is the COMPLETE list of Toyota vehicles for which this device is CARB approved, according to CARB's own website, highlighted in yellow (i.e. the Directs models, as the Booster model is a different device with a somewhat different function):



That is it. Just 2001-03 Celica GT and GTS, and 2001-02 Tundra. No Prius. No other Toyotas. Period.

A good number of models of other brands are covered, see the EO, but still nothing newer than 2003.

After acquiring this product line from Ignition Solutions of San Diego -- or possibly the whole company -- I'm not aware that Okada and/or Plasma Projects have gained any new or expanded approvals. It certainly doesn't show in this particular approval, which you confirmed is the correct EO#, unless CARB itself is displaying outdated information.

Thus, it appears that any suggestion that the item pictured in the base post here, for cars 2009+, is CARB approved, is false or misleading or a scam.

 

As of this post by you, it now appears that you and I (and Sam in post 33) are in agreement about what the CARB order does and does not mean.

You did not appear to be in agreement with that back in post 35, where you wrote;

If you now agree that the CARB order involves no showing or proving of anything except that the device doesn't mess up emissions or OBD-II monitoring, then it is good to have arrived on the same page.

None of this changes the fact that the cited order is one from 2003 that does not apply to any newer cars or to any Prius.

 

What the hell are you smoking?

Whatever it is, it must be bad.

 

You know... people are quick to shoot down what they don't understand and call a scam to something they don't like without any statement of facts. I support you and the efforts to elevate a stagnant platform that is usually the butt of most jokes while being hated by other vehicle owners for driving slowly in the fast lane.

 

You can do all the trademark infringement you want up to the point where the trademark holder gets annoyed enough to take you to court, if they ever do.

Can you elaborate on what CARB's criteria would be for considering a product to be "different and not the same"?

If that's a determination they are in the business of making, their criteria are probably published.

 

I was sent confidential PDF hard copy CARB info which I was told not to post by them recently.
This is some funny shyt. No red flags here at all, lol. Putting the capital D in Dumb.

Glad to see your super modern "upgrade" is "tech" from 2003, since they state it hasn't been changed, and that allows the same EO. It was useless in 2003 and apparently has stayed that way, because suckers are still born every minute. lol again.

 

You know, I've come to realize why aftermarket support for the Prius in the US is stagnant! It's words like this that paint a picture of owners having this dark cloud over them like Eeyore and making comments as if they know everything while driving a stock prius.

To top it off, everyone wants to bash someone attempting something new! GTFOH, how are you putting this gentleman down for trying to do more with the Prius? If you say Toyota only changes your oil or that cross-drilled/slotted rotors with ceramic pads are useless on a Prius then you proved my point. If I told you with the aftermarket brakes, my PHEV when braking generates EV mile range faster than with OEM parts, I bet because of how regen works you will say that's impossible... right?

Azusa.... I hope you have a OBD MX+, my advice to others attempting to prove with data direct from the car various improvements or losses is to use it with Hybrid Assistant and enable data logging! Ive tested most if not all readily available obd2 dongles and the MX+ has the strongest fastest data comms out of any device which mean the data logged IMO is cleaner and more precise. Not to mention it has direct access to the enhanced logs for no additional fees!
Logging your data at least 2-3 full tank fill-ups prior to installing these will give you a good baseline of numbers. I have a way where you can upload the logged data database and have it show in a nice searchable GUI where we can run reports comparing any differences in metrics records. If someone disagrees with that proof, then we can't help them see the light. My money is on you, and I pray to the Prii God's that the data you get shut them all up! They aren't ready for what I'm about to drop on them.... ill let you go first and am curious... do you think they would work on the new 2.0L? If so... I'd be willing to test them on my Gen 3 with the 2.0L motor!

 

welcome back neutron....Reading through this thread and other similar ones, it seems like real DATA is what everyone is really asking for.

Let's get some data for NEW OEM equipment then data for this super coil. Real daily driver data over a few hundred or thousand miles using the same car with same tires, etc. No changes other than NEW OEM coils/plugs and these coils/plugs. Let's see what kind of payback shows up for a $700 set of wallet emptiers on a daily driver car. You're more than welcome to be the one to do it since you're familiar with data collection. Give us the proof. That's all anyone here is asking for.

As for your other discussion above....it's a Prius. If I'm investing 700 bucks to "save" $2 a year, then that falls under "idiot" territory, but to each, their own.

 

I was sent secret information confidential PDF hard copy on the 3rd Generation Prius engines.
But I was told not to post by them....

 

Most California drivers that worry about passing a smog check would welcome a CARB EO#, that applies to their specific make/model/year per EO#. This means they can take it to a smog check without worry they won’t pass the initial visual inspection.

As a “manufacturer” the cold air intake companies like to put “pending”. 100% of the aftermarket intakes fail if the car has the “HC” filter inside the intake box.

The only reason that would make sense if they wanted to keep CARB info a secret is if they failed to get approval, because that would scratch them off legally selling to California residents.

 

Can somebody look up the circumstances, if there are any, in which CARB is even allowed to send some guy confidential PDF hard copy and tell him not to post it?

That could at least narrow down the kind of situation it is.

 

I think the "situation" is perfectly clear right now.
For most people, that is.

 

A lot of the time, a government agency, like CARB, will be created by some form of enabling legislation, with rules and regs that can be looked up to learn things like, under what circumstances they can send around confidential PDFs and restrict people from posting them.

That would be a way of finding that kind of thing out independently of asking Plasma Direct, in case they could have a possible conflict of interest.

It's like what I'd say to my mom if a big screen popped up on her computer saying to call Microsoft Support right away on such-and-such phone number. I'd say sure, it might be ok to call Microsoft Support, but looking up the number independently first, not just dialing the one on this screen that popped up.