Outrageous PG&E rate!

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-Current)' started by Roy2001, May 2, 2019.

  1. Blue-Adept

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    It's called a breeder reactor.

    The modern version is good.
     
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    You should really try the app, PG&E Toolkit to get a handle on what your costs really are. I've got solar and my electric cost is virtually nil, with the exception of non-bypassable charges.

    You should probably be on the EV-A plan, where overnight charging is ~ $0.125 per kwh. The PG&E Toolkit showed me this plan was better than the ETOU-A plan I was on initially.

    Yeah, PG&E is expensive but how much of of what we pay is due to state regulations and the state's environmental agenda, subsidies to low income folks, people suing PG&E for fire loss because they didn't have fire insurance, etc?

    Gasoline is now $4.00/gal because of this reformulated gasoline we use and high state taxes. It's supposed to reduce ozone, a colorless and odorless gas. Is it really worth the extra cost?
     
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    Colorless and odorless doesn't mean harmless.

    Ozone isn't as bad as indoor carbon monoxide, but it is still harmful.
     
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    Its not odorless, from wikipedia:
    Its the source of the odor after a strong electric arcing.

    That being said, worse than the odor are the health effects:
    If you have ever had lung/throat/breathing problems in an ozone-polluted area (see SoCal), part of it can probably be attributed to the ozone you are breathing in.
     
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    Ozone is fresh smell you experience after a thunderstorm.

    Ozone in of itself usually doesn’t trigger the majority of the health issues, (it’s a learned reaction from repeated exposure alongside other contaminants)
    it’s the smog , particulate and VOC that are almost s always present during high ozone events that do the damage.

    Secondly It has been found that natural ozone generation is high enough by itself to bring about the problems you list when the “other “ factors are present.

    Stationary production of VOC, particulate and other reactants to ozone are largely unregulated , meaning our approach fails to address the true sources of these problems
     
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    This is what I got: NOTE: Starting July 1, 2019, the EVA rate will be closed to new enrollments.

    EVB is for dual meter, which cost thousands of dollars to install a 2nd meter.

    PE&E is very expensive, no question for that. Our neighboring city which is run by SMUD has a price structure about 60% of our cost for similar amount of electricity.

    PG&E just sucks.
     
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    Maybe more cost efficient to start making lemon batteries :ROFLMAO:

     
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    My electric provider in North Atlanta metro, Cobb EMC, has a Nite Flex rate that gives you FREE electricity between midnight and 6 a.m.,

    I'm saving about $10/month doing that.

    Y'all come on down n set a spell....
     
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    For 400 KWh, but that's plenty to charge a Prime.
     
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    If that were available, I'd be programming the (heat pump) water heater to a boosted temperature during those night hours, and a reduced temperature the rest of the time. Displace more of the water heating to those hours.

    I don't do night setbacks on my minisplit space heater. But with that rate plan, I'd probably do so, gradually dropping the room temperature around dinnertime, then start raising it again around 3 a.m. and have it settled well before 6 a.m. But this is a northern climate zone, not southern, so the utility load management schedules are different. They'd have little reason to offer such a schedule up here.
     
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    i would use electronic heater during winter then.
     
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    What kind of heating do they usually use in GA? Do they even need to heat the house during winter? We turn off our heat when the low temp outside is in the 30s.
     
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