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P0AA6 w 526 and 612 : I don't think it's the battery - what next?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Goneballistic, Aug 1, 2022.

  1. PriusCamper

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    Looking good... I'm concerned you don't have any signs of a cooling fan yet... Also taking the rack of modules off the chassis makes a cooling fan work better because it can reach underneath if propped up in the right way. And it may not be an issue and not feel warm to the touch at the moment, that will change soon. Also I charge an amp higher than you're charging... But that would make it run hotter, so get your cooling system going first.
     
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    I left them in the rack because I'd read reports of swelling making the modules not fit back into the pack again. So was thinking leaving them in the rack would help mitigate that.

    I'll get a fan on it ASAP and prop the bottom up to keep heat from building up underneath. Great advice.


    Edited to add:
    Desktop fan stolen from daughter and pointed at the pack now. hopefully this helps.
     
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    Yes, leave them on the rack! I was referring to the chassis, which is the metal plate on the bottom that the rack bolts into. You have to remove the rack the chassis to change out modules anyways.
     
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    OHHH, OK good call, I'll pull the metal plate off the bottom as soon as this cycle completes.
     
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    well I just learned something interesting:

    voltage is NOT capacity. Remember how my charger was not honoring my cutoff "voltage"? I had set cut off at 7500

    I picked a cell and instead of 3 cycles, ran it 5 cycles. I also discharged it down to 6.0v instead of 6.3. Cells have been finishing at about 4500-5400 mAH after three cycles.

    this one I cycled 3 times and when it finished the display read CUTOFF.

    mAH was right at 7500l Voltage is about 8.6. So it DOES respect it, but it's not the voltage, it's the mAH it's monitoring. How it calculates that, no idea, but on every cycle it tracks the voltage and mAH.

    So I picked three other cells and cycled them 5x at the same parameters. They are all finishing at about 8.6- 8.7v and about 6500'ish mAH. which was much better then 3 cycles and finishing about 4800-5500mAH.

    Also pulled the catse as per priuscamper and have a fan on them now so they are still staying cool. I'm charging at 3.0A but discharging a little faster, at 2.5.
     
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    AFAIK, those chargers monitor the voltage, amps, and time- then does some math. The thing is, when you're charging you can't know how much of that power is getting turned into heat, or how much is actually "filling" the cells. On discharge it's a bit more accurate - not perfect but better.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    I charge at 3.9amps w/ my new 50w 5amp SKYRC version2 chargers with super fast processors and 4.3amps on my super slow lower wattage version 1 SKYRC chargers. This is a relatively conservative balance to optimize charge time... And some people on here charge at the full 5amps. Too much heat for me... As in you could safely boost your charging amps up a little to speed up the process. Of course the truth is the most thorough charge and discharge happens at under half an amp, but not very efficient/I'm not patient enough.

    And yes, voltage fluctuates like crazy... A battery dropped to 0.0v will quickly rise back up 6v just like a module discharged to 3v. And even though capacity is not based on voltage, the calculation for capacity requires accurate voltage measurement and how it changes over time.
     
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    Update: Great success!

    After a couple of weeks of charging, discharging, charging and tracking progress, I got so all but one of the cells was above 7000 mAH as reported by the charger. Most were between 7300-7500mAH.

    Ironically it was one of the two replacement cells I ordered. I got two, one was from the recommended source, one was from Amazon. The Amazon one was dirty and looked like it had been outside for a month, it came right up to 7500 mAH in one cycle. The other replacement I couldn't get over 6400mAH after three cycles.

    I ran out of time, daughter had to go back to school, so I took the cells and reversed half and hooked then together with solder wire. That didn't work, I wasn't getting reliable contact on several, so got normal stranded wire and hooked them up. Didn't have a lot of time. Hooked then up Friday at midnight, and got up at six to reassemble.

    Pulled the modules, spot checked about ten, all same voltage, then paired the weakest and strongest into blocks.

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    I also tried to place the blocks that started the strongest in the middle of the pack, although that was harder given pairing strongest weakest.

    I did look close at the bottom of the support tray and found this under cell 13. Here's the source of the issue

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    Got the cells back in the pack, reassembled pack and threw it in the car.

    I started it and it immediately didn't go into drive. I panicked, almost cried, then remembered you can't just flick it over, your have to push down to get to drive.

    Went immediately into drive and we took off. Drove it about ten miles, very nervous but threw no errors. And the car fell much much stronger and smoother than previously, but I thought it was just me.

    Block data from torque during initial drive
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    Later my daughter moved it to pack her stuff into it and came in and not realizing I was standing there, told her mom it drove better than she'd ever felt it. It's quick and very smooth. I didn't mention that to her, she just noticed it.

    Loaded up and headed for college, car made it 250 miles with not a hiccup. She mentioned it's driving much better, battery never drops to purple like it had been doing and she was very happy having the flying avocado back up and running
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    Thank you to everyone for the advice and help! So amazing what you guys know about these cars.

    But the daughter is super happy, I didn't get cooked in the process, and the little Prius soldiers on..
     
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    Congrats!!! Nice work!!! Hopefully you showed her how to read and clear error codes so if she has problems in the future she can keep driving and you get screenshots of app data rather than confused texts or phone calls. Also because these types of repairs are good for 3 months to 3 years, consider upgrading after a few more repair sessions to a way better performing pack: https://projectlithium.com/products/prius-lithium-replacement-pack
     
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    I'd recognize that face anywhere.
     
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    Yep, they made over a million Gen2 prii, but each one has something distinct that makes it memorable.

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    What do you mean, the car or how happy the daughter was to have it back?

    She really likes that thing, more than I realized
     
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    Let's hope it's closer to three years than three months lol..

    I did show her how to clear codes. But with 190k on it, hard to know if throwing two K at it makes sense or if I just keep fixing the battery when it has issues
     
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    I want to think there was some photo-doctoring feature used on her face here, maybe to anonymize her, and maybe the person doing the doctoring didn't look closely at how it came out.

    I really hope it's that, and not that I'm drawing attention to someone post radical surgery of some kind. If she owns and drives a car, I'm assuming it's photo-doctoring.

    huh.jpg
     
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    Lol, hahaha, nope you are right, just couldn't figure out how to use the blur tool at all.

    She was just real happy to have her Prius back. She would check on is every day during the repair.
     
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    If you're looking to get people's attention, well, use it just like that.