Pentagon: Gays Are "Sick"

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(imntacrook @ Jun 23 2006, 04:30 PM) [snapback]275972[/snapback]</div>

so what does sexual orientation matter if the primary focus of the military is to go out and lay the smack down on the enemy? people should be judged mainly by their combat ability, no?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(San Diego Steve @ Jun 23 2006, 05:52 PM) [snapback]276010[/snapback]</div>

Why on earth would you say I'm bigotted? You know what I said and I don't see any bigotry in my post at all - a little sensitive are you??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(galaxee @ Jun 24 2006, 11:56 AM) [snapback]276327[/snapback]</div>

I agree! I thought thats what don't ask don't tell was all about - just keep your sexual activity to yourself and do your job - no problemo!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(imntacrook @ Jun 23 2006, 04:30 PM) [snapback]275972[/snapback]</div>

My neighbors are gay. And they are great neighbors, very friendly, always offering us fresh produce from their garden, fresh eggs from their chickens, some spicy herbal chicken soup when one of us has a cold (one of them is an herbalist), use of their 20'x60; inground pool whenever we want without asking, use of their ride-on mower without asking, etc.. And you know what? If every once in awhile they want to hold hands or give each other a little peck on the cheek or something, it doesn't immediately make me think of their genitalia or what they do with them. Nor do I care what they do with their genitalia in the privacy of their own home. On the other hand, people who obsess about other people's genitalia and some sort of alleged impropriety of what happens between two consenting adults who care deeply about each other behind closed doors--to me that suggests a sickness or mental disorder.

 

http://dont.stanford.edu/regulations/Homos...lityDebate.html

Discusses the conclusions that got the military to the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" mode.

http://cmrlink.org/HMilitary.asp?docID=103

Discusses the law and how it is still illegal for homosexuals to be in the military.

Remember, the military is a microcosm of society, and as such, only reflects the mainstream.

 

I just had a vision of some top secret classified pink bullets.....

Where a person puts his package has nothing to do with their being a human being. I wish I knew why some folks seem to feel the need to keep poking their heads into other peoples bedrooms. I think the ones doing the looking are the ones that need therapy.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(imntacrook @ Jun 24 2006, 09:30 AM) [snapback]276341[/snapback]</div>

According to webster's online dictionary:
Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
- big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective
- big·ot·ed·ly adverb

You show bigotry (intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinons and prejudices) with the following statement :

I'm not sensitive per-se, just tired of these type of statements supposedly being justified because you have determined it is "sick". What other forms of intollerance should we start allowing again? How about against old people? Would the AARP have a problem with forcing everybody over the age of 60 to have another driving test? How about disallowing marriages for anybody over the age of 60 too, since sex between them would be "sick"?

In the end, bigotry is a mental illness, tolerance is sanity and is what American values are based on.



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ Jun 24 2006, 08:39 AM) [snapback]276317[/snapback]</div>

Anytime... great signature too. People today need to be reminded what values America was built on.

 

Actually, a driving test every four-six years for every person with a license, regardless or age, would probably make the roads a whole lot safer...

In regards to sex over 60... Thats what the light switch is for.

 

Our troops already serve with openly gay soldiers. Most of our allies, including our closest ally in Iraq, Great Britain, allow openly gay servicepeople. Our troops serve with them, so they are already serving with openly gay people.

Our Allies with openly gay servicepeople have no decrease in combat readiness or performance. Our units serving with our allies, including those with openly gay soldiers, have no reduction in combat performance. What is the big deal?

We already have open gays in the Military, just not our gays. And they're already serving together! Why has the military not fallen apart, as reported?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Jun 24 2006, 12:08 AM) [snapback]276174[/snapback]</div>

I wonder if it was Hitler who came up with the practice of gay Handballing / Fisting..??? Please note this is not a sporting game..

Look that one up on google :lol: :lol: :lol:

I wonder where / who comes up with this stuff, Example: man I'd sure like to play some handball tonite or hey guys are you going to the fist party tonite? (Sounds like a skinhead function) oh boy it surly isnt that!! :blink:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusguy04 @ Jun 29 2006, 10:00 AM) [snapback]278645[/snapback]</div>

What makes you so interested in stranger's personal lives and practices??? Voyeurism at it's most demented. Do you only use the missionary position and then only for procreation??? What makes your choices more delectable than others'? As we all know on PC when someone invokes Hitler, they are acknowledging defeat. You brought it up therefore you lose and openly admit you're thinking is wrong. Mind your own business and run your own life. Curiosity still got ya? Then go to ask someone to help you 'work through' your problem.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(imntacrook @ Jun 23 2006, 02:30 PM) [snapback]275972[/snapback]</div>

But of course it's perfectly fine to do this to your wife . . .

 

Pentagon Revises Document Listing Homosexuality as Mental Disorder

Wednesday, June 28, 2006

Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is revising a document that calls homosexuality a mental disorder, officials said Wednesday.

Lawmakers, medical professionals and others had pressed for the change in a document outlining procedures for dealing with disabled service members.

"Homosexuality should not have been characterized as a mental disorder in an appendix of a procedural instruction," Lt. Col. Jeremy Martin, a Defense Department spokesman, said Wednesday. "A clarification will be issued over the next few days."

• Learn more in the Gay and Lesbian Issues Center.

"Notwithstanding its inclusion, we find no practical impact since that appendix simply listed factors that do not constitute a physical disability, and homosexuality of course does not," he said in a statement.

Called a Defense Department Instruction, the document outlines retirement or other discharge policies for service members with physical disabilities, and in a section on defects lists homosexuality alongside mental retardation and personality disorders.

The Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military, at the University of California at Santa Barbara, uncovered the document and pointed to it as further proof that the military deserves failing grades for its treatment of gays.

The Pentagon has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy that prohibits the military from inquiring about the sex lives of service members but requires discharges of those who openly acknowledge being gay. There were 726 military members discharged under the policy during the budget year that ended Sept. 30.

The document, was condemned by medical professionals, members of Congress and other experts, including the American Psychiatric Association, which said it declassified homosexuality as a disorder more than 30 years ago.

Members of Congress noted that other Pentagon regulations dealing with mental health do not include homosexuality on any list of psychological disorders. And in a letter to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld earlier this month, nine lawmakers asked for a full review of all documents and policies to ensure they reflect that standard.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn @ Jun 29 2006, 02:03 PM) [snapback]278685[/snapback]</div>

:lol: :lol: I must have struck a nerve On my last post :lol: :lol: , I cant wait till they inicate the porn bans on the net its truely a pain to do a search and have that stuff pop up..



But of course it's perfectly fine to do this to your wife . . .
I have heard this argument before... :mellow:

I still think its a life style choice ( not wanting to open another can of worms).. Its just my opinion.
What two men do behind closed doors is thier business...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tnthub @ Jun 27 2006, 03:36 PM) [snapback]277625[/snapback]</div>

I agree - it's actually done in many European countries. I think in Sweden it's every 10. There always has to be a balance of cost to the public (think about how much longer those lines would be at DMV) vs. the benefits (how much less accidents we'd have).

BUT, the point is that groups like the AARP would claim that it would be unfair to the older population and that we were being discriminatory much like imnatacrook was being towards gays by calling them "sick".

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(imntacrook @ Jun 23 2006, 04:30 PM) [snapback]275972[/snapback]</div>

I remember a medical study from some years ago that surveyed sexual practices among students at a US university. About 50% of the sexually active women admitted to anal sex with their male partners.


So is your opinion that half of US males are mentally SICK and should be barred from the military, or do you have some medical expertise I lack explaining how the female anus is different than the male anus ?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(EricGo @ Oct 31 2006, 06:21 PM) [snapback]341679[/snapback]</div>

Simple there is a much more attractive package wrapped around it. YOMD... (Your Opinion May Differ)

Wildkow

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(imntacrook @ Jun 23 2006, 12:30 PM) [snapback]275972[/snapback]</div>

So then, brainiac, how is it any different than sticking a d**k in a woman's nice person? That basic piece of human anatomy is the same for males and females of the species.

 

So the pentagon thinks sticking your d**k up a guy's a** is sick. But sticking a bayonet in his guts is a healthy recreational activity?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Nov 1 2006, 06:44 PM) [snapback]342173[/snapback]</div>

That's pretty vulgar jared. My respect for your dignity has plummeted to levels where even Bush's current approval ratings seem high....



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(seeh2o @ Nov 1 2006, 04:16 AM) [snapback]341769[/snapback]</div>

Totally different... In that case, it's totally acceptable, as it is a femal we're dealing with.




Oh yeah....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jared2 @ Nov 1 2006, 04:44 PM) [snapback]342173[/snapback]</div>

OMFG! I'm having a flashback. Wavy Lines, and cue the soundtrack:

And we was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but thats not
what I came to tell you about.

Came to talk about the draft.

They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, "Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604."

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

Didn't feel too good about it.

Proceeded on down the hall gettin more injections, inspections,
detections, neglections and all kinds of stuff that they was doin' to me
at the thing there, and I was there for two hours, three hours, four
hours, I was there for a long time going through all kinds of mean nasty
ugly things and I was just having a tough time there, and they was
inspecting, injecting every single part of me, and they was leaving no
part untouched. Proceeded through, and when I finally came to the see the
last man, I walked in, walked in sat down after a whole big thing there,
and I walked up and said, "What do you want?" He said, "Kid, we only got
one question. Have you ever been arrested?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the Alice's Restaurant Massacre,
with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that and all
the phenome... - and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, did you ever
go to court?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on
the back of each one, and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, I want
you to go and sit down on that bench that says Group W .... NOW kid!!"

And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's
where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And
they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the
bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest
father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly
'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me
and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay
$50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench.

And everything was fine, we was smoking cigarettes and all kinds of
things, until the Sargeant came over, had some paper in his hand, held it
up and said.

"Kids, this-piece-of-paper's-got-47-words-37-sentences-58-words-we-wanna-
know-details-of-the-crime-time-of-the-crime-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-
you-gotta-say-pertaining-to-and-about-the-crime-I-want-to-know-arresting-
officer's-name-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say", and talked for
forty-five minutes and nobody understood a word that he said, but we had
fun filling out the forms and playing with the pencils on the bench there,
and I filled out the massacre with the four part harmony, and wrote it
down there, just like it was, and everything was fine and I put down the
pencil, and I turned over the piece of paper, and there, there on the
other side, in the middle of the other side, away from everything else on
the other side, in parentheses, capital letters, quotated, read the
following words:

("KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?")

I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to
ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm
sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench
'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women,
kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and
said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints
off to Washington."

And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints. And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.