Peter, Paul, and circumcision.

Youse guys are providing a pretty good demonstration of how mature
discussion about religion quickly breaks down into ugliness.

Won't you take a moment, cool off and let the other person speak
his/her mind. After all, in the big picture, it's not going to change a
thing. Along the way we can all be exposed to new ideas, make our
own research/investigations, and create informed opinions.

A Possible But Improbable History:
Why was Peter called the Rock?
Of all the apostles, he was the only one who couldn't swim.
A net would have been real handy to fish him out.
Hence, the apostles were "Fishers of Men."

Lighten up, won't you?

EDIT: Or ask for a new restricted forum,
Peter's House of Dunnage Mats --Religion
(Unleavened bread of course.)

 

What about Brian? I haven't heard anyone mention Brian.

Tom

 

Probably because it's off topic. :focus:

 

How is Brian off topic? I thought we were discussing apostles?

Tom

 

It's difficult to lighten up when someone accuses you of believing in something because you're brainwashed. Weak argument I know but when personal attacks are all you got . . .

 

I'm not sure that anyone said that you personally were brainwashed. I think the bigger argument was that brainwashing created religion. Once established, many people, such as yourself, are willingly drawn to it. It's like a social virus, and once started, uses others to do its reproduction.

Tom

 

Trebuchet, nothing personal intended...

An [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem]Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] attack is nothing but an atavistic, mental regression.
It is not unlike the desperate response of an animal trapped in a corner...
go for the eyes.

We all know that there are more appropriate responses...
but generally they take some thought and time to compose.

 

Bird circumcision.

You can sit there on that branch and make it sound so simple...

I see that look... you are not going to win the blink-game this time Bra...

 

Well now if I read this right that's just down right offensive qbee42. But no worries I don't take ignorant comments such as these personally.

 

None taken Rokeby I wasn't referring to myself but to daniel's remarks to spiderman.

BTW +1 on your remarks above, :thumb:

 

what's next? daniel and the den of lions?

 

Belief in Jesus = religion. You say you talk to him in your head, so either he's some sort of spiritual entity (=religion), or you forgot to take your meds.

I'm anti-belief - I'd rather know.
And the things I don't know, I really try not to pretend that I know.
And things that can't be known (or aren't yet known), I'm perfectly content to wonder about and consider all the possibilities - rather than rule them all out except one.

 

Daniel believed his cat was a lion. His cat also believed this. Local rodents disagreed - they believed he was the Angel of Death.

 

I don't think people are brainwashed into religion - I think they simply haven't taken the time to consider all the possibilities and so they reach for whatever is most accessible for them.

But when you really consider all the possibilities - ALL of them - you start to see them all for what they really are: possibilities, nothing more. And when you choose one to the exclusion of all others, you're making an assumption in the absence of adequate evidence - and those are often incorrect.

 

In your reference to Peter the Rock. It was to himself Jesus refered to as the Rock. St Augustine in his Retractions stated that Christ was the only true foundation of the church. It is interesting to note that of the some 86 of the early christian fathers that only 17 understod that Jesus meant that Peter and not he himself was the rock he refered to. For more information on this I can be e mailed as this subject has little to do with Prius or green technology

 

No, no, no, this is the Fred's House of Pancakes. Lay it out man.

 

There are so many things wrong and baseless with your statement above I don't know where to start. But I will start with the most offending. If you are going to state the Bible is full of contradictions, you better state them with references. Remember not to cherry-pick passages without full context. That is no fair.
As to the very last statement; wouldn't anything "harmful" to society be "evil". Talk about a contracting statement.
It is a good thing today is Sunday so I can go to church and be around a bunch of other evil-doers. Perhaps we will go out and burn some non-believers... I am sure that is what the sermon is going to be about.