PHEV mod under way, Bristol, UK.

yes sure he will
bob is the guy to take apart the 2010 without us even needing to ask for it.

 

Heh, maybe. It's his wife's car at the moment...
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"here, honey, hold these two wires for a sec"
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_H*

 

That is so awesome Nikki!

I've dreamed of getting such great mileage with a plug-in conversion but they are so bloody expensive at the moment and even a DIY kit is just not viable/justifiable for me at the moment.

Congrats on your success and I applaud your willingness to help others achieve the same goal.

 

hi nikki
so if i am correct you do not monitor the battery cells when driving?

only the OEM pack i guess using canview.
but nog the add packs.

i also monitor those during driving
and i use OEM fans to cool during charging and driving if needed.

a picture that i will attach to this post shows a impression of my current setup ( picture is from the before moment not yet finisched but give's a good picture of the setup )

 

wy not use norms bms+ system? and go for the plugin supl system..
you can also get the casing from them only if you want.

only second hand where the battery packs the rest is al new just like the bms+

do you want to go without the bms+ in the future?

i dont want to put then beneed the floor
i used see tru plastic for demontration to poeple and i have noticed that only these strong fans will cool the pack fast en good.
i used pc fans and that did noting ( to weak )

there is not good enough space under the floor to do this.

and i dont use any boot space.. what that matters i never drive my care anyway just take the bike.

 

For cooling when driving why not use a powerful 220 volt fan which runs whenever the power is supplied from the mains? That would be easy and cheap to install. You could most likely use a fan from a compact fan heater or something like that. You need a way to vent the warm air out of the car, maybe duct a 220v fan in the interior exhaust vent which is behind the rear bumper cover. Is there an exhaust vent in the left corner and could you put the fan in the space taken by the bin in the corner?

 

In your first sentence "For cooling when driving why not use a powerful 220 volt fan...." do you mean charging not driving?
Also, In winter it would be beneficial use the ducted heat to pre warm the car?

 

It takes some time to go through A-Z of this interesting thread, but I'm glad there is some documentation available on the internets beyond hybridinterfaces "beta" pages on this BMS+ system/approach..

Tip for NG3 charger users, you can utilize its AUX1,2 contacts to enable several features such as remote visual signaling of mains/charger activity and/or control additional cooling system during the charge cycle in the batt. bay either powering fan directly or by connecting to other relay/board logic etc..

It has been discussed in detail at this EV conversion blog (bottom of the page):

volt914 - Electric Porsche 914

Btw. also can't wait for the first practical confirmation of the rumors that 2010 Prius model has plugin capability ready/friendly ECU and other related systems..

 

I hope that rumour is correct but I have my doubts.
Toyota stands to sell more cars if 2010 owners have to buy another car to get the plug-in.

 

My impression is that even if true, there will be several diy hacking steps involved anyway, like connecting cables, preparing the batt. tray, adding force cooling etc. And obviously installing and managing the batt. pack itself! So, this will scare many people anyway, Toyota is not worried about this, but perhaps more about the fact that such functionality inside 2010 model could make the situation much easier for 3rd party plugin kits..

 

Btw. is there something simlar available for BMS+ PHEVs as well?
Anybody from the early adopters?

www.priuschat.com/forums/members/ji...ts-picture344-glide-test-pc-glide-method.html

 

On thinking about it, Toyota are releasing 500 PHEVs at the end of the year so perhap they have put in all the looms. Wouldn't it be marvelous if all we had to do is put in the new battery pack, plug and associated electronics.

 

Another must have gadget in the "PHEV garage":

Electric kWh meter with online capability & datalogging function
(TCP/IP or serial port), have been looking for something like this in
one neat package for ages. Has got 230V@50Hz capability ->
i.e. CE (IEC/EU) certification too!

www.ekmmetering.com/EKM_Metering/Products.html


Btw. Nikki, is there at least one true DIYer among these 2010 PHEV
conversions you know about or is just "big" kit suppliers territory at
the moment?

 

nothing new those rail attached meters
but you have to look into the industry products to find them in the past

i think those PHEV 2010 are all kit company's but lets wait and see.

 

Well, since this is basically BMS+ thread here and I think it has not been referenced often before..
"Look Ma, no ICE inside my Prius EV !"

video (more from http://www.youtube.com/user/imwoody36):

all electric Prius: www.autobeyours.com/All%20electric%20Prius.htm
PSD Lubrication Issue - bottom page (transaxle oil pump driven by ICE):
http://www.roperld.com/Science/Prius/priushymotionconversion.htm

more PHEV projects/info (5-10kWh Li-ion) info: www.autobeyours.com/HighSpeedStealth.htm
many hacks pictured here:http://www.autobeyours.com/gifs/
overview of all car's subsystems: http://www.techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/training/prius02.html
52mph EV thread: http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-p...64-hymotion-52-mph-electric-vehicle-mode.html
clues to HSS (52mph) hack:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007/05/a123systems_acq.html#comment-68782322
http://www.techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/ginv/VH.html
Oak Ridge Report / Efficiency maps, gearbox friction losses:
http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/890029-WIfqPO/890029.pdf
http://www.techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/warpstealth.html
http://www.techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/#prius
motor pullout, MG2 rebuild, step by step photos:
http://classic.artsautomotive.com/PriusMG2.htm
camry hybrid 105kW http://www.hybridsynergydrive.com/en/pcu.html
'04&'05 shitty inverter box & corrosion/cooling yuck: http://www.techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/cars/ginv/i1mech.html
detailed disassembly/teardown: http://www.techno-fandom.org/~hobbit/#prius
http://www.techonline.com/product/underthehood/199201709
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plugin solutions kit install video (case detail) http://www.pluginsupply.com/video.htm
Pb, *Li-ion cylindrical&prismatic kits: http://www.pluginsupply.com/products.htm | *fastcharge wiring ready (230VAC euro friendly?)

Ewert Energy/CANTOP:
http://ewertenergy.com/
http://www.pluginproject.com/index.html
youtube.com/watch?v=74Q3qivunE4

CANTOP CANBUS (Opensource) http://ewertenergy.com/products.php?item=candapter&page=projects
http://cantop.sourceforge.net/
partly based on famous CANBUS Talking Prius: http://www.vassfamily.net/ToyotaPrius/CAN/cindex.html
CanAdapter & sw Suite http://www.uninterruptiblesolutions.com/candapter-can-to-usb-converter-p-224.html


==> new "safe" 70mph "Ice-spin" Ewert hack:
http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-p...-mph-electric-vehicle-only-mode-new-post.html

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complete input data for your Prius simulation spreadsheets
(drag, wind, rolling resistance/PSI tires, etc.):
http://privatenrg.com/#Startup

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~1kW inverter running off 12V system leg (car on in P-gear no drive lights)
-> EV defrost etc. http://hiwaay.net/~bzwilson/prius/priups.html
http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-...2-anyone-use-inverter-need-quick-reply-2.html

 

I'm going to try the conversion with the 2010, using Lithium batteries, but it took a while to find a place to help me with it in the Kansas City area. Also going to add the solar panels for the roof, but waiting for them to get these all tested with the 2010 model. Supposedly it will be ready to install in July, but that may be optimistic. My car is supposed to be in this month, so that will give me some time to try it out before the conversions.

 

The full EV conversion/hack means you end up with *50kW peak electric motor solely powering ~1.4ton car (but with decent torque). The weight savings from gutting ICE components are offset by added traction batt. pack and stuff. So the car will have its dynamic performance limitations (not exactly a freeway car), but as basic sub 52mph EV this might be very good donor candidate! One has to look for Prius with shot engine/left front damage, add >5kWh batt. pack, bms, charger, some electronics for auto squelching the error codes on start up (is CanView4 fully capable of that?), see Steve's video episode6 and his EV page for it. I'm wondering why this idea of Steve's has not catched up earlier, especially in the U.S. where Prius is plentifull and cheap, and EV conversion popular..

*also the question is whether the emotor and inverter will survive ongoing operation as the only propulsion system in this upper envelope of <52mph. On the plus side, ditching the ICE alltogether means the diyer can go full monty with the belly pan and other aero mods limited formely by the heat engine presence, so this will help a bit again.

"Priusight" http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-modifications/50902-review-hybrid-effects-wheel-skirts.html
Kit (just add bellypan): http://www.hybrideffects.com/

Full kit, google pic "prius hubcaps", "mooncraft prius", "blade runner prius"
http://images.google.cz/images?hl=cs&lr=&um=1&q=prius+hubcaps&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=20
Component pricing (~$6K full) and foto for Aero Prius Yura Style (studio in-house tunnel designed/tested):
http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-modifications/37756-aero-prius-yurastyle-5.html
more detailed pic: http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-...acing-ce28-eco-drive-wheels-prius-only-3.html
(this is also Volk CE28 eco drive -special Prius model- wheel thread, ~2kg less weight!)

or some minimal compromise combination of both:
- 4x wheel hubcaps + 2x rear wheel skirts by Hybrideffects
- front bumper + 2x door mirrors by Yura
- sharkfin antenna
- front and side OEM decals out as per Hobbit's tutorial
- no rear wiper (+ stock or 3rd party rear camera)
- TaskLED litghts (EVnut)
- full lexan/alu bellypan with small fins midship and "big" ones NACA type rear end
- clean and "heavily" waxed & polished for the glide
- in terms of rolling resistance perhaps 2nd hand racing rare alloy wheels ala eBox
(see "Volk CE28 Eco drive" for Prius)

=> at the minimum BIG drop in noise and >>5% plus in economy, some more headroom
for the e-traction, better accel. etc.

"SightinBeetlePrius" - aka SIBT you saw it here first!
Basically, it means adding rear skirts and other aeromods, also painting taht black rear bottom black line ala Insight. Plus moving the small spare tire and all the trunk tool-junk to the now empty engine/radiator front space area(like old VW), in addition it will help offset the light front axle load a bit. Moving charger/s and other component (batts.) here as well might not be that benefitial because of wire lenght, lets see. Pic here: http://www.autobeyours.com/gifs/PHEV files for publishing/Empty engine block/all electric 012.jpg