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  1. smyles

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    Not to turn it political, but curious, what POTUS policies specifically hurt CA rural.. farmers. I assume?
     
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    CharlesH CA HOV Decal #5 on former PiP

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    Some of the tariffs are really whacking the farmers here. Things like walnuts, I've heard. I live at the border between the rural and Sacramento Metro areas, so I hear both sides.

    But this is off topic, and this area of discussion can turn toxic real fast. I really don't want to get banned by the moderators.
     
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    Yeah, they are getting hit in the trade war like other farmers of the nation.
    https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article207714414.html

    There is a tariff thread in the political section.
     
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    Really good point. My sister who lived in the desert east of San Diego finally bailed out on CA and left the state. Oh man! Don't get her started. LOL!!
     
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    Not just walnuts, but pecans. The water shortage was the biggest killer for Central Valley Farmers. Poor planning for water was brought to you by the powers that be in Sacramento .... the governor & legislators of the state. Not the feds. As far as Transportation goes, the US Supreme Court (relatively conservative, even back then) has already ruled CARB states are free to regulate higher than non carb states. Non CARB States follow because it's less expensive to have just one standard, so they follow CARB, because the majority of cars go there anyways. Speaking of majority, 95% of the Cali state lives in the urban areas anyway, so the fact that the Central Valley folk have less say is no surprise, despite the fact that we get so much of our food from there. 1000 Farmers up in arms about making a livelihood difficult is not the same as pissing off our million welfare recipients .... right or wrong - just sayin'
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    Yeah let's take politics elsewhere.

    With 2020 on sale now, there will be plenty of noobs asking the same questions over and over again.
     
  7. CharlesH

    CharlesH CA HOV Decal #5 on former PiP

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    The Administration has moved to rescind the exemption that California has to set emission standards that are stricter than federal standards. Ironically much of the opposition to that action is coming from auto manufacturers, who have already incorporated those standards and the associated costs into their planning, and don't want new competitors who haven't incurred those costs to be able to jump in with cheaper models.
     
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    Now, that's just plain nuts.
     
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    The exemption in conflict just lets California regulate carbon emissions. The exemption for other emissions is still in place, and may predate the Clean Air Act.
     
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    According to this article, car sales in 2018 CA projected at 2 million. Let's assume they made it to 2.1 million.

    California New Vehicle Sales on Track to Exceed Two Million in 2018 – California New Car Dealers Association

    Total car sales in the US in 2018 were 5,488,181 according to this source.

    USA - Flash report, Sales volume, 2018 - MarkLines Automotive Industry Portal

    2.1 million out of 5.5 million is a lot of cars, but not a majority.
     
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    The California number is for vehicles. The 17.2 million value is the one to compare to for national sales.

    A majority does not have to mean greater than half. It could just be used to describe the largest portion of something when there are more than two portions. In terms of elections, it would be called a simple majority.

    Of the remaining 49 states, a couple might rival California in sales, but it is unlikely any have more sales than it.
    According to this, • Number of cars sold in the U.S. by key state 2018 | Statista, which seems to be for actual car sales, Florida is second in number of sales for 2018, and it is at 57% of California. I see trucks inflating Texas' number more, but not enough to surpass California.
     
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    From Merriiam Webster:

    Majority - "a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total"

    While California may have the largest amount of vehicle sales among the states, it does not have a majority of national sales.

    In an election, the high vote total that is not a majority is a plurality.
     
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    Really?

    majority (noun) American English definition and synonyms | Macmillan Dictionary - "most of the people or things in a group"

    This site cites three dictionaries, https://www.thefreedictionary.com/majority
    "The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total."
    " the greater number or part of something"
    " the greater part or number; a number larger than half the total."

    Semicolons are "used chiefly in a coordinating function between major sentence elements (such as independent clauses of a compound sentence)"(according to Merriam-Webster).
    "A semicolon links two or more independent clauses that are closely related. An independent clause is any group of words that contains both a subject and a verb and could stand alone as a complete sentence. For example: “Chocolate ice cream is delicious; vanilla pudding tastes good, too.” Notice that the two clauses don’t need a conjunction (and, but, for, or, nor, so, yet) because the semicolon takes its place. The semicolon helps establish a strong relationship between the two sentences, and it also helps give the two food items equal importance in the sentence." - How Do You Use A Semicolon? - Everything After Z by Dictionary.com
    It can also be used in dividing lists, and is a stronger separator than a comma.
    In the case a dictionary entry, the separated portions could stand on their own as a definition, but the editors felt they were linked close enough to not warrant their number entry.

    Merriam-Webster opted to expand the outline notation to smaller case letters instead of using semicolons.
    Majority | Definition of Majority by Merriam-Webster
    1 c : the greater quantity or share

    In terms of elections, majority has a more precise definition. This is true of many words that see common usage and usage in a technical field. See theory.
     
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    Some will always fight the "majority" context & understanding of a word in hopes to deflect another's valid discussion point.

    Sorry I didn't draw a multicolored pie chart with 10 groups, which could still have the "majority" at only 20.1% .... or any other small fraction that one may choose to insert, without being 51% sheesh
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    It is common in elections to have a first round election with two or more candidates, and if one person gets a majority, defined as more than 50% of the votes cast, then the election is decided. If noone gets a majority, the top two vote getters participate in a runoff to decide the election. I noticed that the dictionary definitions used the term "greater", which implies comparing two items; "greatest" would be used for more two. The -er modifier on a adjective is for two, the -est modifier is for three or more. At least, that was what was drilled into me back in the dark ages.
     
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    also from our dark ages (since we're OT anyway ) we had it drilled into us why we don't do 51%, IE, mob rule. Because if we did, in theory id'd be possible for as little as 1/12 of the 50 states to have the say over the other 46, & the US territories -
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    Electoral college. Those wacky folks from the Dark Ages nearly 1½ centuries ago or so .... not so ignorant & primitive after all.

    To go back on topic, that's why Musk puts the superchargers in the states with the "majority" of people. And why also, he built his own format. And also why he puts most of the locations at the back end of the lot. It keeps more of the ICE out (as opposed to putting Chargers in the prime parking spots) & it keeps scofflaws out ..... the freeloaders that don't pay for the system. Crazy, but sometimes crazy works.
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    Most of the votes without over half would be a plurality, in the US. In the UK, it's called a relative majority. I don't recall plurality ever be used in discussions, but might have heard lesser majority.

    Either way, we aren't discussing elections or even politics. In common usage, majority can be used as s synonym for most.
     
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    CharlesH CA HOV Decal #5 on former PiP

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    I guess it depends on how strongly one feels that we are a republic containing semi-autonomous states (as was the case when our country was founded), or a democracy with administrative subunits called states, just as states have subunits called counties (parish in Louisiana) and cities. We don't worry that if urban counties happen to have the majority of the voters in a state, that they determine state policy. With this viewpoint, if the most voters live in a few states, those states would naturally control the country, just as the voters in the Los Angeles and San Francisco Bay Area determine policy in California, over all the rural counties. I realize that this is a "religious" issue and is way off topic for PriusChat, but it is something I have wondered about whenever this Electoral College thing comes up.
     
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    & that's ok - because the Beauty about regulating CO2, even if that's important or not, is that when you decrease CO2, you invariably decrease all the other things, like poor efficiency, pollutants, fuel imports etc ... the exception being hydrogen cars, because hydrogen uses some kind of fossil-fuel to reform the hydrogen ... because that's the least 'still obscenely' expensive way to go - yet the dishonest hydrogen lobby calls it 'clean' , despite all of the unsequestered CO2, as well as the mountains of coal ash (japan's "plan" for 'clean' hydrogen) - which makes the whole hydrogen nonsense astronomically 'least' expensive, which is why those factors are never considered.
    . . . Not that this has anything to do with plug-in parking abuse ... sometimes one just has to state the overly obvious. & i HAVE seen a hydrogen car blocking a charging stall .... to add insult to injury

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