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Polar Ice for 2018

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  1. tochatihu

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    Trump also said temperatures go up and then go down, which is an incautious reading of records since 1970. One might illuminate the situation better by saying every decade has been warmer then the previous since then. But that is T, not ice. +T just melts ice...

    UAH and RSS satellite-T retrievals also show every decade warmer then previous since those analyses began in 1978 December. I only mention that here because some folks may find it different from what they have 'heard'.
     
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    Source: Trump: Polar ice caps are ‘at a record level’ | TheHill

    President Trump in a new interview again pushed back on claims of global warming, stating that polar ice caps have hit "a record level," according to reports.

    "The ice caps were going to melt, they were going to be gone by now, but now they’re setting records. They’re at a record level," Trump told British television host Piers Morgan in an interview set to air Sunday night on ITV News.

    Trump also reportedly appeared to lump global warming and climate change together.
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    Wishful thinking, he's been fooled again. Graphs coming:
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    Bob Wilson
     
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    If one is an ice fan, best that can be said is that is that it is (nowhere?) totally collapsing.

    If one is an ice-free fan, seasonal northside transit routes are slowly opening. That may become a big money saver compared to Suez and Panama. Fabulous cut-throughs but not quite placed to best lower shipping costs.

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    Seriously, if your conditions allow, go look at Panama. It is a thing.
     
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    A different link shows the onset of this La Nina to be far less dramatic than eight most intense prior La Nina. Worth grabbing that graph?
     
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    I'm OK with more data but something else clued me to look ... Sierra Nevada snow pack. The fires suggested dry weather yet droughts are not typically a point event but regional. All that dry brush grew up when the rains returned and then the dry came back to make it kindling. As dramatic as the mud flows, that rain is also growing next year's burn yards.

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    Bob, where do you get Calif snowpack data? That state's "cdec" was a fine resource for me. Until somebody 'at this end' decided to block access to the website.

    Seemed like an inoffensive website to me...
     
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    Parts of Russia and France both had recent large snow dumps.
     
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    Yes nrcs is in the clear but I am not motivated to work up data.

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    It usta be 'known' that El Ninos and La Ninas dump water at different (west coast) latitudes but now that appears to be less reliable. If current La Nina develops weakly I'd expect other factors (including ones we don't know) to come into play.
     
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    i had no idea moscow got so little snow.
     
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    Looks very northerly. Running a snow-sample course is a lot of fun of you are dressed for it and comfortable on Nordic skis.. Snowshoes if things are too fluffy. I could never do snowshoes well.
     
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    It looks like Antarctic minimum sea ice in the next two weeks and three weeks for the Arctic maximum:
    • NSIDC Charctic interactive Arctic/Antarctic sea ice graph
    La nina is impressive too:
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    Bob Wilson



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    This is such an active time for all Antarctic activities. Wish we had a overview of this part of their annual cycle.

    Logistics like nowhere else...
     
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    Antarctic min is min! Would be heckuva time for whaling if we still dabbled in that. Would be heckuva time for ice-cliff collapse, if they dabble in that.

    Shall I assume that satellites are in place to observe any large ice departure that might happen?
     
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