Poor Fuel Economy After Brake Change

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  1. Tim Jenkins

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    FYI, on my screen the 1st video doesn't load, but if you click on the 'pop-out' icon in the upper right hand corner, it plays.
     
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    Your Prius appears to be functioning completely normally.

    It is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing without cruise control on.

    The low grade regen that is occuring when your coasting in drive with your foot off the brake and gas is supposed to happen.

    As I said before, this is partially to simulate what happens in a vehicle with a conventional transmission.

    Next time you drive a car with a conventional automatic transmission, take your foot off the gas and coast like you did in the video.

    Then switch to neutral.

    You will notice a similar effect of the car coasting better in neutral.

    This is because the transmission doesn't have to work against the compression of the engine to gain speed as it becomes disengaged.

    In the Prius a slight amount of regen brake is applied to simulate that effect and simultaneously deliver a charge to the HV Battery. When you switch to neutral, regen brake is disengaged.

    If you want to continue coasting down the hill at speed, apply your foot very lightly to the gas.

    In the Gen 2 Prius we call this gliding. I don't think the Gen 3's officially have a "glide" mode where the energy monitor shows both zero regen and energy expenditure.

    But if you lightly press the gas it will simulate it as close as possible.

    Others can chime in and verify that I'm correct on all this.

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    Thank you
     
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    Now back to the original issue below:

     
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    aren't we done?
     
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    I am satisfied to know that my Prius is functioning properly
     
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    i'd say we had the answer last week
     
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    and the answer to grits question
     
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    If your Prius continues to get low mpg despite being satisfied that your Prius is otherwise functioning normally, I have discovered a low mpg mechanism that nobody knows about.

    I'm still working on all the specifics and will hopefully post all the evidence in a single post in the next couple weeks.

    Here is a link to a comment on Reddit I made that describes this mechanism.

    If the mechanic who did the brake job disconnected the battery, this could be the cause of your initial low mpgs and immediate transition to power mode.

    It sounds like the mechanism I've discovered but not described in detail.

    Maybe find out if the mechanic disconnected the 12v battery during the brake job as this might explain your symptoms more.

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    you mean like this?
     
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    I will ask, but assuming he did not disconnect the battery, how do I fix or reset this mechanism?
     
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    there's nothing to fix or reset, you're already back to your old mpg's
     
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    If he did not disconnect the battery, then this low mpg mechanism will likely not apply, and is likely not the cause of your low mpg.

    But when you said "My Prius transitions quickly to the power section" assuming you meant the engine kicks on... that is a tell tale sign of this mechanism at play, and is what makes me think the battery was disconnected.

    You have to read the post...

    Again it only applies if the 12v was disconnected.

    The mechanism to get the computers to relearn has to do with commute style.

    The low mpg mechanism mainly only effects city mpgs and not highway mpgs.

    It basically effects the power you can get out of pure EV mode at city speeds.

    The guy in the Reddit Post confirms he was experiencing the low mpg mechanism I describe and that he fixed it through changing commute style that allowed the ECU'S to relearn to their max mpg state.

    Your computers may have already relearned if you do frequent trips at speeds at 65+ mph.

    Here is a link to a PriusChat post I made describing the same low mpg mechanism as well. I realized the Reddit Post could be glitchy viewed in browser due to the formatting...

    You need to read the whole comment see where I'm coming from.

    Again I still have not confirmed this mechanism exists for sure, but I'm 99% does.

    And nobody else knows it exists but me.

    Which is why the description is so thorough.

    I'm going to need to prove that it exists or they'll all tell me my Prius is functioning completely normally like we did to you in this post.

    You may actually be on the right track, that something is different with your Prius after the brake job, you're just not sure what.

    My post might shed some light on that.

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    @TheLastMojojomo is right. The videos show your car behaving exactly as it should.

    As for the lower fuel economy, that's very likely a result of fiddling with EV mode. That's a great way to kill your MPG numbers. Let the car decide when it should turn the engine on and off. If you run in EV unnecessarily, then you wind up burning extra gas recharging the traction battery.
     
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    Make sure you cleaned very well and greased everything property
     
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