Posts from old Priuschat.com - for search purposes

I've included these for searching purposes. I was not able to format them or obtain the data in way that I could re-include them into the forums, but I did want to include them here in the Library so that they will be searchable.

If you have found this thread through a site search, scroll down until you find the highlighted word(s) that you are looking for. Or, hit Cntrl-F and then type in the keyword you are looking for.

Thanks,

Danny

 

( 'Lexus LS 430 XM in a 2004 Prius?', 'Everything about the 2004 Lexus LS 430 reminds me of the 2004 Prius. It has bluetooth, voice command, smart start and entry. It even has a backup camera like the Japanese 2004 Prius. If you look at the radios on both they have the same buttons - just slightly rearranged.

I took apart the dash on my 2004 Prius and on the back of the radio, which is made by Matsushita, is a connector that isn\'t used for anything.

What I\'m hoping, and betting, is that the electronics in both of these cars is identical and that the XM satellite option for the Lexus LS 430 will work with the 2004 Prius. I called some Lexus dealers and they\'ve told me that there isn\'t a single XM install kit available in the USA yet, so I can\'t even look at the connectors.

If someone on the Lexus side could send me a picture of the connector for the XM, or if someone on the Toyota side could tell me what this extra connector is for, I would be able to sleep better at night.

If anyone is interested, I can post the pictures of the disassembled dash and the back of the radio. Although, maybe I should keep these pics to myself to avoid voiding my warranty.');
( '2002 Prius For Sale', 'I have the fully loaded 2002 Prius and its for sale.

I live in Northern New Jersey. Email me for details.');
( 'Where is everyone?', 'Hello?');
( '', 'Haha, thanks for joining the site! The site actually just went live last night, so hopefully there will be more of us joining here soon.

Thanks again for posting, and I look forward to your interaction with PriusChat.com!

Danny');
( 'Nice site', 'I am one of the 2800 odd members of yahoo 2004-prius group.
Having a threaded, web based forum is wonderful!

All the best ');
( 'Yes! Thanks for creating this board! ');
( '', 'Yes, thanks! Let\'s get this site rolling. I\'m so sick of Yahoo\'s advertising and the general format of their forums');
( '', 'I think you\'re right about Yahoo. It\'s nice that they offer it, but it\'s even better to get away from it.

Thank you for setting this up. :wink:');
( 'Pictures of the Navigation System under the seat.', 'If I picked this up correctly the Navigation Box is under the passenger seat? The model I test drove didn\'t have navigation so I was able to look at it.

Does any one have pictures of it for the curious?');
( '', 'Much better format');
( 'Books on cassette', 'I got the standard sound system and therefore no cassette player.
I usually listen to books on cassette that I borrow from my local library.
They have some books on CD, but a very limited selection.

Other than upgrading to the premium system (over $400) or buying books on CD (ugh), can anyone offer suggestions to quench my book on cassette thirst?

Thanks.

8O');
( 'Anti-SUV merchandise', 'www.cafepress.com/demainmercan
has a selection of clothing, coffee mugs and other items with the \"I drive an Anti-SUV\" message.

A little retributive fun for hybrid drivers. :lol: :wink: :twisted:');
( 'Startup', 'Hi out there!

To start up, we bought our Prius from a dealer here in Berlin,Germany in Mid-August this year. It is a demo car, from 10/02 with 8000 km on the clock in royalblue mica (without nav).
We bought it there (www.stolzenburg.com), because they werde the only ones who were clearly willing to sell us a car. Most other dealers did not show much interest. We sended an e-amil, they called back the same day, took a test drive 2 days later and bought the car right of. They told us much about they car, and reading all about the Prius on the Internet, they were well informed.
Up to now we can tell that it is the best car we ever bought. 4.7 l/100km, silent driving, no flaws (insert knock on wood here). It is my wifes car, and she does not give it out of her hands. First thing in the morning is the question of the kids \"Which car are we using today?\" and if the answer is Prius then \"YPIEEE\". If it is \"Micra\" (our 7 year old Nissan, my car) then you here \"ehm, well, er... okay...it has a cd-player\".
We now have 12500km. The car changed my driving style completly (actually when im allowed to drive it), and im driving the Micra the same way and all of the sudden i cut off 0.5l of my average fuel consumption (and i still need 25 min to get to work).
If the new Prius emerges here in Germany, i sure will test drive it.

So long

Uwe');
( '', 'oops! To fast.

Price was 17000 EUR!

Uwe');
( 'Paying MSRP', 'I didn\'t even try to negotiate the price on my 2004 Prius. I paid MSRP and got a good trade in.
Normally, I would never pay MSRP, but I was convinced it would be a waste of time.
Hmmm. Was I premature?


I got mine from Alexander Toyota in Franklin, TN. The sales manager told me two weeks later that because he sold his so quickly (2 hours after it got off the delivery truck I was signing the deal) he was able to order another one.');
( 'How to drive traffic from yahoo to here', 'Maybe for a while we could all make our posts here at priuschat.com, and rather than

1) posting at yahoo too
or
2) not posting at yahoo too


we could post here, but then post at yahoo with a link to our priuschat post.

I\'ll give it a shot with this post and see what people say.


On another topic:
This is so much better than the yahoo group. I frickin hate how yahoo splits long urls. Here you can have links!

The only disadvantage of this site relative to yahoo that I can think of is for people that prefer to have an email digests rather than read via a browser. Is there a way to get forums emailed to you in digest form or is there a php-nuke plugin that offerers that functionality?


best,
Cedar');
( '', 'JOHN, I have a periodic toxic battery smell in my 2002. Have you ever had a problem? Tom');
( 'how to improve site', 'I don\'t see an album or pictures module which is really a must for a site like this. Gallery http://gallery.menalto.com/
works as a seemless plugin to php-nuke and kicks so much nice person it isn\'t funny.

best,
Cedar');
( 'Photos', 'One of the forums is Prius Owner Photos');
( 'Smart Start Gremlin', 'I had a puzzling think happen this morning. I hopped into the car to drive my daughter to school. When I hit the power button I got the smart start warning icon. I tried again, same thing. I opened and closed the door, still the same thing. I thought perhaps the battery was dead in my FOB, so I ran upstairs and got the second key/FOB. This time the car started right up. When I got work, I tested the original FOB and it worked just fine. Any ideas on what was going on?');
( '', 'Ohthetrees -

I have received your feedback that you submitted and have read your posts, and think that you gave me some great ideas. This site is definitely still in the \"building\" stage and one of the parts of that stage is gaining a member-base that can provide some great ideas.

Thanks again');
( 'do we need another prius site?', 'moving the discussion from the yahoo group to here. Lets see how this goes. Reply follows:



Fragmentation is bad. But so are groaning, creaking infrastructures, that simply do not meet the needs of the group. The pics section is broken, there are very restrictive limits to how many things we can keep in the files or pictures section, it is impossible to post a url without it being split in two. If we managed to move en-mass to priuschat I think our experience would be improved.


Also, your tally of how many sites there are to watch is a little disingenuous. First, most are yahoo groups, which are the very things I think we need to get beyond. And the next group includes many boards not prius focused. In addition, many of the groups you list are narrowly focused or regional, and focus on topics not really apropriate for toyota-prius or 2004-prius groups.

best,
Cedar

Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote:

>Ugh, yet another site to watch. How many do we need?
>
>The sheer number of just Yahoogroups is astounding, listed in no real
>order:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toyotaprius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius-sat1
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota-prius-sat2
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PriusOrg
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PriusMods
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PriusFAQ
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Mk1_Prius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Priusclassic
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/classicprius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prius_friends_II
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/2004-prius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius_Technical_Stuff
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chicagoprius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bay_Area_Prius_fans
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius2004NE
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ohio-prius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/midwest_prius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/georgia-prius
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada-Prius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/australian-prius
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/toyota_prius_ge
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PRIUS-FRANCE
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prius_uk
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PriusUK_road_tax
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cal-hybrids
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TEXASHYBRID
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AltFuelVehicles-CT
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MA-hybrids
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hybrid-flame
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Toyota_Hybrid
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lexus_hybrid
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hybridvehicles
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hybridelectriccars
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hybridcars
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hybrid-classifieds
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hybrid-Cars
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/highefficiencyvehicles
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gridable-hybrids
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silverado_hybrid
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sierra_hybrid
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ram_hybrid
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/escape_hybrid
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrids
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-hybrid
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hondacivichybrid
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Honda_Civic_Hybrid_Owners
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Honda_Civic_Hybrid
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/honda-insight
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/civic_hybrid
>
>
>And that doesn\'t even include the hybrid discussions on other sites:
>http://www.insightcentral.net/forum/
>http://www.priusonline.com/
>http://www.nesea.org/greencarclub/forums/
>http://www.acarplace.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=82
>http://townhall.edmunds.com/TH/townhall (various - use Search By Keyword)
>http://cartalk.cars.com/board/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=hybrid
>http://www.hybridautoclub.com/HAT/Default.aspx
>now add http://www.priuschat.com/
>and the occasional discussions come up on USENET (newsgroups) as well,
>usually alt.autos.toyota (for the Prius), but...
>
>it\'s really difficult to keep up! and if you\'re looking for information,
>you have to go all over the place to find it...
>');
( 'Rename?', 'I think \"General Discussion\" may cause some confusion.

How about renaming it \"Off Topic\"?

Just my $.02 USD

Moved to Prius Forum Usage Discussion

Danny');
( 'Main Forum', 'And move the Prius Main Forum to the top so it\'s the first one everyone sees.');
( 'Re: Main Forum', '

YES!!

Also, it might help if the Prius Main Forum were divided into two discrete sections, such as:

1ST GEN PRIUS

2ND GEN PRIUS

OR

2000-2003 PRIUS

2004 PRIUS

Opinions?');
( 'Re: Photos', '

That is far from a gallery of pictures. Just a bunch of pics inline in a post is not quite the same as a real gallery that has thumbnails, intermediate sizes, and full size pics on demand, and many other great features. Wading through forums to find pics sucks. Also, there may be things other than \"owner photos\" that deserve pics. I can imagine step-by step how-tos for modifications, etc that work best as a gallery of pics with captions explaining each picture.

for an examples of how cool gallery is check out these sample gallerys


best,
Cedar');
( '', '

Thanks! I hope this takes off. I hate yahoo groups so much. I thought about setting up a php-nuke (or postnuke) site myself, but I don\'t have server space that could handle the load. Speaking of which, what is your hosting situation?

best,
Cedar');
( '', 'Actually, I should amend the foregoing:

Rename \"Main Forum\" to Prius Forum (or something on that order) and then divide the \"Prius Forum\" as described above.');
( '', 'Let me be one of the first to reply to this topic...

I created this site because of the many problems I see inherent with a Yahoo Group site - it\'s made for small groups of people, the discussion forums are not designed for heavy traffic or multi-subject postings, and there is a total lack of organization to it when you have 3,000 members without any true full-time moderators or administrators.

The buzz that the new 2004 Prius is creating is amazing. It\'s the first hybrid vehicle that truly appeals to the masses, and now I think it\'s time for a centralized, stand alone site designed to keep everything organized and open to everyone.

I didn\'t know about priusonline.com before someone mentioned it in reply to my little advertisement about PriusChat. After looking at it I don\'t think that it is organized in a fashion that is conducive for a 3,000+ member board.

I\'ll be the first to admit that I\'m new at this. This is a labor of love, and I hope that together we can all make this website the best and main Prius Enthusiast site out there. I will take any and all suggestions that you can provide, and at first there will be a lot of kinks in the system.

If we decide we don\'t need this site, then that\'s fine, I can shut it down. This is my way of trying to give back to the Prius community and dissenimate as much information about the Prius as possible, because as soon as these cars are on the road more and there are some that sit at the car lot for more than 6 hours, people are going to notice and have questions.');
( 'Heading suggestion', '\"Technical\" or \"Technology\".......for those who want to discuss the likes of inverters, kW, VDC, etc.');
( 'Toyota\'s plans for hybrids', 'when I purchased my 04 Prius a few days ago, I got into a discussion with my salesguy. He told me Toyota hopes to have it\'s entire FLEET of vehicles as hybrids by 2007-2008. That just amazed me... ALL their vehicles are going to be hybrids withing 5-6 years!

Soren');
( 'Prius forums', 'I agree with having the 2000-2003 and 2004 sub-forums but I think it main forum should remain Prius Main Forum');
( 'Re: Paying MSRP', '

Isn\'t just about everyone else paying MSRP, though?

Personally, I don\'t think that decision was premature because you have your Prius now. I\'m not sure about those agreeing to an MSRP deal now but not taking delivery until, say, next April. I mean, who knows what the market will be like then? By that time, however, you will have been driving your 04 Prius for 5 or 6 months.');
( 'Re: Prius forums', '

Yes, thanks! THAT\'S what I was trying to convey! ');
( '', '');
( '', 'I think the yahoo sites are less than useful.

priusonline.com looks interesting, but I think I like the division of discussion (forums) better here.

:roll:');
( '', 'Ok, I renamed the Main Forum to \"Prius Main Forum\" and created 2 more forums in that category - 1st Generation and 2nd Generation.

My preference is to have these forums at the bottom so that people will go through all of the topic-specific forums (ie Audio & Electronics, For Sale, etc) before posting something in the General Forum that really can be placed into one of the other more specific forums.

I don\'t want the General Forums to become like the Yahoo Group Page - a big, unorganized forum of numerous threads sometimes on the same thing.');
( 'Forums', 'I see what you mean. That is more logical. BTW, why is this thread under Off Topic and not Board discussion? ');
( '', 'I sorta had the same kinda thing happen. I couldn\'t get the car to \'start\', but then I shifted the fob in my pocket and it \'started\'.
It only happened that one time.

My guess is that a solar flair interfered. :wink:');
( 'Re: Toyota\'s plans for hybrids', '

I think there\'s a good possibility TMC will leave most other manufacturers in the dust within just the next year or two.

That Lexus RX hybrid is one thing but how about the Highlander hybrid to follow a few months thereafter? Next, the Sienna and, perhaps, RAV4? Looks like they\'ll have most of the bases covered in a fairly short period of time.');
( '', 'I\'m confused about what the difference between

Prius Main Forum

and

Toyota Prius Forums


What is the difference? It seems to me that these two should be consolidated, and moved to the top since that is what this site is really about.

This is my proposed structure:

Code:

Toyota Prius: Car

      Appearance Modifications

      Audio & Electronics

      Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting

      Tech Talk

      The Library (this section redundent with the files and links modues?)

      Milage Talk (how to improve, tire pressure, temp etc)

      Generation 1 specific

      Generation 2 specific

      Everything Else about the Prius ("your topic not fit one of the above catagories?")



Toyota Prius: Community

      Events & Road Trips

      Prius Owner Photos

      Private Sales

      Commercial Sales

      Pricing & Dealers

      Comparisons on Street & Showroom

      Everything Else about the Community



Miscellaneous

      Off-topic

      Prius Forum Usage Discussion

      Everything else that didn\'t fit in [i]any[/i] other catagory

best,
Cedar');
( 'ICE running but not showing on display', 'I\'ve had this happen to me a number of times.
I start the car first thing in the morning and before I get out of my driveway I can hear the ICE running, I can see very low MPG on the display, but the drive train diagram on the display does not show the ICE as running.

As a result, the MPG shows very low even while coasting down the street.

By the time I get to the end of my street (about 100 yards long), and stop at the corner, everything seems to be working right again.

I\'m assuming that the ICE starts up to warm up the \'car\'. It starts while I\'m backing up to get turned around in the driveway, usually.

I\'m just worried that there may be a malfunction since the ICE is running and it\'s not showing up on the display.

Has this happened to anyone else?

:?:');
( '', 'Fantastic!');
( '', 'It\'d be great if I could get daily digest w/ just the subjects of new threads. That way I\'d know if I want to log on to the site. The only good thing about the yahoo site for me is that I can do it all via email. I don\'t mind logging on to write a message, but I\'d love to be notified of new threads.');
( '', 'Just thought of something else. If a few of the \"heavy hitters\" like Rick, Wayne, etc. poke around the priuschat site, and like it, perhaps they could endorse the new forum? I have a feeling that if the big contributors moved to the new site, that is where the community would gravitate. If they stay here, then the community will too. So if you fancy yourself \"a heavy hitter\" or you at least post a lot, why don\'t you check out priuschat.com. If you like it, come to this list and \"endorse\" the new forum. Then start replying to posts over there, and sort of push people over. If you are feeling energetic you can even cross-post, but as I proposed before, simply leave a url here on yahoo that leads to the real post on priuschat.com On the other hand, if you think the move is a bad idea, I\'d like to hear about that too.


best,
Cedar');
( '', 'Cedar, I agree. Other than the silly looking avatars -- and the lack of ability to add our own, well, it seems a well laid out place. BUT -- sites like this tend to be free at the start and then ads start popping up. That\'s happened with spyderchat, tundrasolutions, and half a dozen others I have been with -- it\'s eventually got to pay for itself. I wouldn\'t expect any place like this to remain ad-free for long. [/b]');
( '', 'Dianne -

Good to see you. I am actually a member of SpyderChat and got most of my forum ideas from Don over there (as I\'m sure you can tell).

Depending on the traffic, yes, we may have to implement advertisements, but it won\'t be anything like the Yahoo Group where you have to click through an advertisement to view a message. Banner ads will be the most I can foresee. No pop-ups or anything like that.');
( '', 'Request -- I am OK with moderating certain portions of this place -- if needed, and PLEASE let me add my own avatar? LOL!');
( '', 'I\'m trying to figure out the whole avatar situation - it should be working, but not sure why not.');
( '', 'I could have sworn that when I first registered this morning that it had the option of importing my own avatar, but now when I go and look at My Info for that option it\'s not there.');
( '', 'Under your Profile, is there not a section called:

\"Avatar control panel\"

Mine shows up, isn\'t that all that matters anyway?!?!?! :lol:');
( 'Avatar', 'Ah ha! There it is, I was going under Your Account/My Info. The option isn\'t in there, but it is under Profile on the toolbar above.');
( 'ICE running but not showing on display', 'Yes, I\'ve had it happen too. Also when I\'m backing up the car from the garage first thing in the morning. I assume the ICE turns on to primarily warm up the catalytic converter.

BTW, this is the first car I\'ve owned that tells you your speed while backing up. It gives you a positive number, though. I guess they figured speed is speed whether forward or backward.');
( 'Formatting glitches', 'Hey--

Like the new site, but having problems. Don\'t know if it is just my browser or what, but the top of the Forums page is mostly blank and then the posts appear waaay at the bottom. The top of the posts actually overwrites the copyright statements.

I\'m on Internet Explorer 5.1

Gregg');
( '', 'There they all are! Woo hoo!');
( '', 'I noticed the speedometer works in reverse. I wonder if it adds to the odometer, too.

');
( '', '2010-2012 was what I read somewhere. But you know Salesmen, always \"exaggerating\" the truth.');
( '', 'Hey hey hey why and I a newbie?!?!?

I am the Empress of Prius!');
( '', 'You can buy a transmitter that plugs into the headphone jack of a cassette walkman and broadcasts to an FM station..... I\'m not sure what these are called but they readily available.');
( 'Daily digest emails', 'I belong to a couple of other sites like this, and one of them you can set up to email you if a topic you posted to has a reply. That is a nice feature.

Jeff

');
( '', 'If you say so, there ya go! ');
( '', 'That\'s hilarious! How\'d you do that? I mean, I may have to change it one day to Princess or Queen. ;>');
( 'Dianne Whitmire at Carson Toyota', 'Hi ya\'ll!

We are currently taking orders for the all-new 2004 Prius!

Here is where to read up on all of the new 2004 Prius info.

http://carsontoyota.com/html/prius2004.html

As you know, there are so many possible combinations with 9 different packages and 6 different color choices with two color choices having 2 diff interior choices, it\'s just too much of a \"wild card\" to hope that the right car in the right color with the right stuff might just drop in order of everyone waiting.

I am collecting requests via the online pre-order form we use. Please do that form itself so that I can get back to you with pricing, and eventually, timing.

It\'s right here:

http://carsontoyota.com/html/requestprius.html

and thanks! You will probably have a car available to you possibly as early as January/Feb/March at this point. It\'s impossible to determine timing (right now) until I know what package you want, and what color(s)..

Dianne Whitmire
Internet Sales Director - Fleet Sales Manager
Carson Toyota
310-522-2317
');
( 'a proposal with respect to the priuschat.com website', '

Having all your groups in one place is a feature that I\'m sure appeals to heavy yahoo-groups users. For me, and I imagine for many people, I\'m interested in the prius site being as good and functional as it can be, not being tied to a sucky service because of momentum. That came off as a little harsh. What I\'m saying is, why tie yourself to a solution that is not the best for you, just because you are up to your elbows in it now?

The search feature at priuschat.com is far superior.

This, I suspect, will be the real barrier for most people.

The ads are far from my main objection to yahoo. My main problems are:

crappy low-res photo restrictions
photo feature broken
file storage very limited
poor search funtionality
frequently breaks urls in posts
not catagorized

That is a worthwhile objection. However, I bet more people would be gald to manage some of the volume, rather than be happy about wading through it all.

If you are signed in there is a little \"new\" icon next to threads that you have not read yet. In addition you can do things like \"mark all threads as read\". Then the next time you come you will see which threads have been updated.

I would like to see everyone move over. But I suspect that the weight of the group will settle wherever the gurus and heavy hitters settle. (speaking of which, there was a Dianne sighting at priuschat.org!) I think having both at once would be a little too fragmented.


Thanks for the opinions!
best,
Cedar');
( '', 'Admin magic!');
( '', 'Anyone else seeing this problem?

I\'m using IE6 and Windows XP.');
( '', 'That\'s a feature here as well, and I\'m investigating the possiblity of a \"daily digest\" containing the latest topics posted in the forums.');
( 'IE', 'I know that Microsoft doesn\'t support anything earlier than IE 5.5 so I\'d recommend upgrading to that at least, if not 6.0');
( 'Adding files?', 'What is the best way to share files in this forum? Using the downloads section?');
( 'November 12th - Launch Date of PriusChat & My Birthday!', 'Yippee!');
( '', 'It will be much nicer to have categories of posts, rather than paging through all of them....');
( '', ' Happy Birthday!!! ');
( 'Quality of JBL sound system upgrade?', 'So is the JBL audio system upgrade any better than the stock one in the 2004 Prius?

The 2001 Prius stock sound system is just mediocre.

P.S. Nice place you have here. ');
( '', 'Hey, how come you guys get avatars, but mine (and several others) just show up as red X\'s? I picked from the list...');
( '', '

php errors? Haven\'t seen any yet, and I hope I don\'t.

The hope (from me at least) is not that you (and others) would have to monitor two boards, but rather that we would all migrat en-masse away from yahoo.

Yes, it is simply a better message board than yahoo offers. I think that is clear. The weakness of the priuschat idea lies in other areas. Since I laid out the strengths of priuschat, I might as well list some of my reservations. Unlike yahoo\'s weaknesses, which tend to fall into the \"how it works\" catagory, my reservations about priuschat are more organizational.

1) What if Danny the priuschat admin/founder gets tired of the trouble and expense of hosting the site?

2)Do we trust him? I do, but yahoo is a big name, and some people might not want to give their email address and so on to this unknown guy

3) Despite the screwups with the yahoo pics area, we have some confidence that the technical aspects of hosting a site are being handled. Backups, persistance, uptime, etc are all important. We don\'t know if Danny has the skills or inclination to keep the sight really going on the long haul. I regard many of the searchable backposts on the yahoo lists to be a great resource which I hope will persist for years. Do we have the same expectation for the priuschat site?

Oh, don\'t be coy!

best,
Cedar');
( 'PHP Errors', '

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That\'s what I see :-/
-Rick');
( 'Ability to post gallery', 'here as apposed to yahoo which constantly craps out on bandwidth for photos would be a good idea.

I\'d like to see them better organized, although now that cars are showing up, they may need to be tied to a specific feature modification or a limited number of owner photos per user to control consumption of bandwidth / drive space');
( 'test', 'test,test! :?: 8O 8O :twisted:');
( '??test??', '[/color] 8O 8O :lol: :lol: :!: :!:');
( 'TEST!', ':twisted: 8O :roll: :!: IT Works fine from here!');
( 'Test??', 'So what is the problem :?: 8O ');
( '', 'Rick - what are you doing on the website when you see those errors?

I would like to eradicate any php errors ASAP.');
( 'The Water is fine!', 'The WATER is fine come on in :!: ');
( '', 'It worked. :lol:');
( 'StarTrek Second Generation?', 'So is this like StarTrek Second Generation?
the Prius second generation has all the cool stuff, but the original will never be forgotten?');
( 'posting borrowed from yahoo list', '\\" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:58:05 -0000
From: \\"M.S. Dickerson\\" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: ICE running but not showing on display

This is probably exactly the same as in the 01-03. The ICE is on
its own ECU and while warming only and not supplying power or charge
to the entire system will also not show on the power distribution
display. For those of us that have installed electronic tachometers
on the older model, the tach sometimes is even shut off, but the
ICE continues. The tape some of use are using for RPM indications
is from the main ECU versus the ICE ECU. So those 2 computers have
a disagreement once in a while.. :&gt

Steve D
02 super white 51000 miles
\\"');
( 'MSRP expected', 'Put down a deposit the second day they were out and received it 20 days later. Worth every penny. 200 miles of FUN so far.
Oregon');
( 'Now this is COOL!!!', ' Now this is what I\'m talking about!! A site that has a \"Moderator\" 8) that wants to fix somthing that is broke. Unlike Yahoo :roll: that is broke and no one can or will fix the problems :!:
This could be a very good site if ya just give it a chance :!:
Remember change is hard :? :!:');
( '', 'I found something called a wireless FM transmitter.
I think that\'s what you meant.

Now I need to find the best deal.

This should work well. I can put it and the cassette player inside the armrest and power it from the power socket there.

Thanks.

:wink:');
( '', 'IE6 and W2k. No problems so far.');
( 'How to succeed', 'Simple formula.....be good, be nice, and post good advice.');
( 'The software & possible consulting gig', 'Did you just get this open source software and figure out how to use it on your own or did you get help? I would love to use this for my work. Anyone out here able to help and earn some consulting fees? Super stars only need apply.');
( 'Priusonline.com', 'This is another web site using this software. One thing they do right is have the most popular forum at the top of the list. That should be the open discussion on the 2004 Prius. Looks like you have it near the bottom on this board.');
( 'TEST', 'Yes it does :lol: :!:');
( 'Danny, I get \'em too', 'Danny,

I see them as the header on the forums page where I read your reply to Rick:

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PriusChat.com: Forums

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----------------

and then, after copying them and clicking reply so I could reply to you, I see them at the top of this page too:

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I can send a screenshot if you\'d like.

I\'m using OS X 10.2.6 and Safari (not the beta). I\'ll try later today on Panther and the newer Safari that comes with that. I don\'t see them in Internet Explorer 5.2.1, but on the main Forums page, I don\'t get ANY text or forum listings, either, beneath the line that reads \"Profile Private Messages FAQ\" etc.

Hope this helps, and again, I\'ll be happy to send you screenshots.

peace,
Linda');
( 'Files on the Yahoo Group Page', 'I want to start migrating a lot of the extremely useful files that are on there to here, but those files are the property of their uploader for the most part.

I was hoping that if you are a member here at PC and you have posted anything over at the YG, you would give me permission to move those files over here. I don\'t want to just start copying stuff to here without the owner\'s permission.

Thanks');
( '', 'Please do send a couple of screen shots if you don\'t mind. I\'m a Windows user, so I haven\'t tested it with any Mac interfaces.');
( '', 'Rick, are you also using a MAC OS?');
( 'Do any dealers have \'em in stock?', 'Are there any dealers that actually have Priuses in stock that are for sale (as opposed to pre-sold or TRAC)?

If there are, perhaps people can post the info here so others (like me) who are still waiting will have a shot at one too.');
( 'Files', 'I don\'t think so, I think once it\'s posted out there in a public forum it\'s public domain');
( '', 'I\'m on Mac OS X 10.3 with safari and no problem.

best,
Cedar');
( '', 'I would just take them, but maybe have a note up that you will happily take any one of them down if the owner objects. Having all the files and photos that the yahoo group has up here too would be great.


best,
Cedar');
( 'Screenshots on the way!', 'Heya, Danny --

Screenshots on the way!

-Linda');
( '', 'This BB should be cool.
Ready for it to start up.');
( 'MPG', 'I\'ve made a quick and dirty web page with my MPG.

http://www.bookdude.biz/priusmileage.htm

overall average so far 49.2 over hill and dale');
( 'Yahoo files', 'Most of the headings under \"Menu\" are self-explanatory except for \"Downloads\". Is that the proper area to post Photos (i.e. jpegs, gifs, etc.)?

I\'ve noticed that on the Yahoo group (2004 Prius), the \"Files\" section contains a lot of photos (perhaps because the \"Photos\" section is inoperative). Regardless, it would be nice if \"Photos\" and \"Files\" could be somehow kept separate.

Anyway, I\'ve looked at quite a few of the files at the Yahoo group; many of them don\'t appear to have been created by the poster. Rather, they seem to have been obtained elsewhere (downloaded or scanned). I don\'t think anyone can claim ownership merely because he or she uploaded a file or photo that was obtained from another site, scanned from a brochure, and the like. Of course, asking permission would be polite and probably the proper approach, IMHO.');
( '', 'I\'m in the middle of finishing up a Gallery with Photo Albums for any and all pictures. I hope to be done with that by the end of the week.

I think that jpegs or whatnot that are merely scans of documents should do in the Downloads category, though. Keep the Gallery area for car and meet photos only.');
( '', 'Whoa congrats on your b-day. Drink a \"big beer\" for me will ya!

watch the gel');
( 'Themes need the header', 'I didn\'t like the Eos theme, but I\'ve noticed that all other themes have as a header the standard \"PHP-Nuke\" banner. ');
( '1st and 2nd Gen Prius forums', 'I\'m very confused.

I\'ve always thought of the 1st generation Prius as the one that first arrived in 1997 in Japan, the 1998-2000 model years. It did not have a touchscreen, and had a physically-larger battery pack, compared to the next Prius release... See http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Mk1_Prius/ for info on it. NHW10 model.

The second generation Prius (with a bigger battery pack, and I think a bigger engine) came out in calendar year 2000, for the 2001 model year. (If you do find a model year 2000 Prius in the US, it\'s an older Japanese RHD import!) This is what is now known as the \"classic\" Prius, the 2001-2003 model years. NHW11 model.

The new 2004 Prius (hatchback) I\'d call the 3rd generation Prius. Upped the revs on the classic Prius\' engine, denser battery pack, etc. NHW20 model.');
( '', 'Perhaps the MK-1 is the NX-01, making the \"classic\" the 1701.

Sorry, got hung up in the \"Enterprise\" thread in the Yahoo group...');
( 'Gallery Now Up and Available!', '

Go ahead, upload away!

Let me know if you have any problems using the Gallery. The link for it is located on the left-hand side menu.');
( 'how to check for oil overfill?', 'Looking at the oil dipstick, how much over the top fill mark is \"too much\"?
Is it all right if the oil is 1/16th of an inch above the this mark?
Richard');
( '', 'Changed them to \"Pre-2004\" and \"2004 & Beyond\" forums. Is that better?');
( '', 'I work for a Toyota dealership in TN. We have one 2004 Prius for sale. This will be our last Prius we receive probably before the end of the year. It is white with the tan interior and is equipped with package #9 or BC and floor mats. MSRP, I believe is $25,959. If someone would like to secure this Prius, you can call 901-384-3175 and leave your name and number or reply to this post. I will get back with you ASAP. ');
( '', '

We Canadians only get one option package. Unfortunately, it doesn\'t include BlueTooth!

By the way, when I tried a 90210 zip code config, I only got 3 packages listed. Does it vary by state?');
( '', 'Other than a shade more bass response and possibly better treble response for the back seat passengers (it has separate tweeters in the back doors), I don\'t find it to be all that much better than the standard 6-speaker \"premium\" system. It\'s not up to the calibre of the Monsoon system in my other car (VW Passat - or even the standard 8-speaker sound system in the Passat). I find both Prius systems to be lacking in real bass response. Midrange clarity on classical music is pretty good. I was hoping that the JBL system had a subwoofer, but, alas, the 9th speaker is a small midrange cone unit on top of the dash, behind the display.');
( '', '

Thanks. I see you posted the same in Yahoo groups as well.

It\'s a little disappointing re: the sound system. It\'s unfortunate I can\'t NOT get the sound system upgrade if I want other options (since in Canada it\'s part of the only option package available). Otherwise I\'d just go with the standard and go 3rd party for any upgrades.');
( '', 'I certainly don\'t consider myself an audiophile but I am disappointed in the sound quality of the premium JBL system. I enjoy having the 6 CD changer and the cassette player for books on tape but the speakers that were put into the car are lacking in response. Toyota has done such an awesome and wonderful job on this car that they could have put just a little more effort into the sound system. I suppose I\'m also disappointed that we didn\'t get the automatic sound leveling like I thought we were going to get with the upgraded system. Oh well, I\'m still in love with the car....');
( '', 'Can you get Nav without the 9 speaker system?');
( '', 'Yes, unless you want to host them offsite and provide links to the offsite files in your posts here.');
( '', 'I don\'t know if 1/16th\" above the high mark is bad, but doubt it. It sounds like they just poured 4 quarts into it (it needs only 3.9 quarts). However, it\'s not hard to get rid of some oil. The drain plug is easily accessible, so you can loosen it and pour out 8-10 ounces.

OR, at about 500 miles, it\'s not a bad idea to replace the oil+filter altogether; the dealer or a lube station (the Prius is just like any other car when it comes to oil servicing -- it even uses a Toyota Echo filter -- so that even the lube guys can figure it out) can do it real fast these days for around $20-$30 total (and they take care of disposing of the old oil).');
( 'New $1 billion retractable roof stadium for the NY Jets', 'In Mahattan. A lot of dough for a football stadium.

http://netscape.businessweek.com/bwdaily/d..._9011_db038.htm');
( '', '$1B is HUGE! Still, it cost $600 million to revamp Soldier Field and it does NOT have a retractable roof (bad decision given the weather here, IMHO).');
( '', 'Dumb question: Do you upload photos from the Gallery or elsewhere? I didn\'t see an upload function in the Gallery section.');
( 'House, Senate GOP Agree on Energy Bill', '

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103083,00.html


This the bill that suppose to include the Tax Criedt for Hybrids right?');
( '', '

Not a dumb question at all - for some reason without Administrator access you can\'t add to the gallery. I\'ll work on that today and hopefully have it done this afternoon.

That\'s my fault.');
( 'Insert FOB and you are on your way.', 'On the random occasions when all dashboard lights come on, yet no action follows, there is a solution I\'ve discovered as it has already happened to me twice.

Simply, insert the FOB into the FOB slot and VOILA! Everything is resynced in a millisecond, and POWER really does START.

This minor action essentially reboots the Power sequence and causes the Prius to choke out any cyber hairballs that slow down the process.

Even Hi-Tech needs some High-Touch sometimes.

Hope this helps.

John Moss - Silver 2004 BC since Oct 15, 2003');
( 'New Forum - Fuel Economy Tracking!', 'Until we can figure out a better way to track our mpg, I\'ve established this forum for everyone to share their experiences with Fuel Economy on a tank by tank or trip by trip basis.

Let me know what you think!');
( '', 'A football stadium in Manhattan I can hardly believe. Can you also believe how much apartments are going to go for that have a view of it? Real Estate around there is going to skyrocket like Lebron James\' bank account.');
( '', 'Just wanted to say that I had no problems accessing the site (or reading posts) using my Handspring Treo.');
( 'reposting my mpg in this forum', 'I\'ve made a quick and dirty web page with my MPG.

http://www.bookdude.biz/priusmileage.htm

overall average so far 49.2 over hill and dale');
( 'Hypocrites\' Official Bumper Sticker', 'Another shameless commercial.

But you\'ll love this one.

http://www.cafeshops.com/demainmercan');
( '', 'Really? That\'s pretty cool to hear 8)');
( '', 'Ok, everything should be good to go with the Gallery. Please remember to keep it neat and organized.');
( 'Where is everyone from? Sound off!', 'Let\'s hear from you!

Please include the following:

Location
Your Prius\' information
Information about your current car, if it\'s not a Prius');
( '', 'I\'ll go first!

Columbia, South Carolina
2001 MR2 Spyder - Black - 65k');
( '', 'Dallas, TX
1998 Dodge Avenger ES - 55k miles');
( '', 'I\'m in Richmond, Virginia, USA.

I just picked up my new Prius last Saturday!

2004 Prius
BC
Seaside Pearl');
( '', 'Paying MSRP on the 2004 Prius right now is really as good as you\'re gonna get.

Some people were getting a little below MSRP (including me @ -$700) when they were ordered back in September or early October. I think that\'s because the dealers didn\'t yet know anything about the new Prius. They knew it was coming and were willing to pre-order to get in some early demand. But they didn\'t even know anything about the cars themselves, so they certainly weren\'t able to anticipate the huge demand they would be slammed with once Oct. 17 rolled around.

In fact I\'ve heard more than a couple of stories of people who were promised a discount from MSRP but then, when the purchase day came, had to pay full sticker or worse - walked away because the dealer was trying to get above MSRP.

Ogey');
( '', 'Chicago (NW burbs).

Large SUV (a whopping 11.4 mpg).....blechhhh!

Anyone missing the Yahoo ads yet? If so, here you are:

[Broken External Image]:http://www.friskies.com/images/feeding/treats/fd_treatlp_img.jpg
I am your cat
I like choices
I am not Millennium Silver');
( '', ' I\'m here everyday :!:
8) Bring it on :!: :wink:');
( 'Volume Control Gone', 'The other night I was driving in my Prius for about a 7 or 8 mile trip from home.

The entire trip I was completely unable to turn the radio volume up or down. I tried the steering wheel controls and the radio control but nothing worked. Unfortunately, at the time I didn\'t think to try voice command or to try a CD. But I did turn the car off and on again and the radio off and on again. Nothing worked.

After two and a half hours or so, I was on my return trip to home and the volume controls were working fine.

My wife had been driving the Prius all that day so I wasn\'t sure if there was some setting that I\'m unaware of that might cause the volume control to be unresponsive.

Any ideas?

Ogey');
( '', 'Middle Tennessee.

My other car is a 1971 Triumph Spitfire MkIV at the opposite end of the technology sprectrum from 2004 Prius');
( '', 'Houston, Tx

1987 Chrysler NewYorker');
( '', 'Gold Canyon AZ

Have -
2001 Silver (51,520 miles - 46.6 mpg lifetime)

Waiting for -
2004 BC Salsa Red (due Thanksgiving)');
( '', '

It doesn\'t look like it: http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/prius/...options.html');
( 'What\'s the fastest you can go in pure electric mode?', 'From a standing start, what is th