Prime vs. Hyundai Ioniq

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  1. keithjam

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    There is very little information on the Hyundai Ioniq plug-in hybrid. It appears to be coming out next summer. I like the exterior and interior better than the Prime. However, I think it will be much more expensive. The full-electric is about the same price as an i3 and I don't see how putting in an additional engine can lower the price that much. Also, I expect the fuel economy to be worse on the Ioniq.

    So Prime it is for me. Waiting for one to come down to South Florida.
     
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    there are some threads here with decent info. i suppose the engine is cheaper than the amount of battery pack the bev will have over the phev. they're pretty good at keeping prices down, so it might get interesting. but they will have some shortcomings as well.
     
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    I don't think that prices for the hybrid and electric version have even been released yet for the US, and they are arriving earlier.
     
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    The biggest advantage, other than styling, is the dual clutch transmission on the Ioniq, at least for me. I disagree as far as pricing - the Ioniq will be priced very competitively against the Prime since Hyundai is directly targeting Prius customers.

    Prime has the advantage of more tech features and larger display...
     
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    The styling and the dual clutch transmission are the biggest disadvantages for me. The eCVT of the Prius family is one of its biggest advantages since it's infinitely variable and completely smooth. The Ioniq looks so horrendously ordinary.
     
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    Hyundai is also touting better mpg on their ioniq blue - beating the prius eco and better mpge on the electric ioniq than the prime.

    Supposedly all backed by Epa tests. I'll laugh inside my mind if the Epa lowers the figures...
     
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    I have been reading all I can find about both and eventually will drive both and make my decision.
    Elsewhere Ioniq's are being bought and real world experience are being had. Many are reporting fantastic highway milage.
    Appearance is a matter of personal taste. Personally, I prefer the Ioniq.
    Reliability is yet to be determined ..... Toyota's reputation for quality is remarkable, however, Hyundai's reputation is not bad with the many friends that own the product.
    I expect the Ioniq will be competitively price. Competition is a good thing.
     
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    Like with the Prime, the first figures released for the Ioniq were lower.
    I hope that Hyundai isn't playing it fast and loose for the segments sake.
     
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    Earlier I had in mind to replace my PiP by the Prime, but different from the US the announced price is rather high here. Then I found out about the Ioniq Electric with a range of 280 km or 175 miles (NEDC test cycle) or 200 km or 124 miles (EPA test cycle) and it occurred to me that in more than 5 years time I never have had trips longer than that. So I started to read about it and went for a test drive. Currently it has the highest efficiency, just a bit higher than the Prime, and much higher than other BEV's. See for example the following EPA scores:

    1. Hyundai Ioniq Electric----------------136 MPGe---58 KMPLe----6.53 km/kWh---4.08 mi/kWh---24.5 kWh/100mi
    2. Toyota Prius PHV 2017---------------133 MPGe---57 KMPLe----6.39 km/kWh---3.99 mi/kWh---25.0 kWh/100mi
    3. BMW i3-------------------------------------124 MPGe---53 KMPLe----5.95 km/kWh---3.72 mi/kWh---26.9 kWh/100mi

    Chevrolet Bolt/Opel Ampera-e-------119 MPGe---51 KMPLe----5.71 km/kWh---3.57 mi/kWh---28.0 kWh/100mi
    Nissan Leaf----------------------------------112 MPGe---48 KMPLe----5.38 km/kWh---3.36 mi/kWh---29.7 kWh/100mi
    Tesla Model S with 85 kWh battery--89 MPGe----38 KMPLe----4.27 km/kWh---2.67 mi/kWh---37.5 kWh/100mi

    At the test drive I got a very positive impression and I decided to go for it after I was able to negotiate a reasonable price for my PiP (during my last 18 years I had two Toyota's, it was not so easy to leave Toyota behind). One big advantage is that with this Ioniq EV I will be able to do practically 100% of my driving on my own solar energy (over)production (for which I get 11 euroct/kWh when I sell it). Concerning the range, from some reported trips, for example, in Norway and the UK, it seems even in the cold season it does not show much of a winterdip, probably due to the battery heating during charging.

    Note the poor performance of the Tesla Model S in this list. This illustrates how bigger batteries in order to get a higher range also have a counterproductive effect, given the weight of the current generation of batteries.
     
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    Tests show if Ioniq and Prius Hybrid are put head to head Prius comes out as the clear winner when it comes down to fuel efficiency !
    However the Ioniq is far from bad and gets about the gen. 3 Prius fuel efficiency or slightly worse and why wouldn't it ?
    The shape is a cheeky copy of gen. 3 !
    Ioniq Plug-in electric motor is rumoured to have 61 hp ,so Prime seems to best that too,but the Ioniq's battery looks to be smaller ,which from pictures seen so far,result in a bigger trunk .
    Battery capacity of Ioniq is slightly higher too (8.9 vs. 8.8 ) and the vehicle fits 5 instead of 4 passengers .
    Lane Keep Assist works better in the Ioniq than in the Prius as it really keeps the car in the middle of the lane,apparently even in curves at higher speeds,similar to Tesla !
    I am sure the Prime has all the tech on board it needs to achieve the same performance,all it would take is a software update,but I guess they are afraid of getting sued by people trying to "hack" the saftey system that makes sure the hands are on the steering wheel and blame a possible accident on Toyota ! (see picture down below !)
    Another nice thing is that it shows which tire has low pressure unlike toyota who keeps us guessing !
    It will probably also have a sun roof as an option .
    As far as I'm concerned I'd rather stick to the HSD and wait how reliable Hyundai's double-clutch system turns out to be,but we have to keep in mind that the Prime's systems is also a Toyota first as they never used a clutch on HSD before .


    Hyundai Ioniq LKA "Hack" :

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    Also the Ioniq does not allow you to take your hands from the steering wheel for longer than a while. After a short while it will start to complain and warn you that it will not drive any further when you don't put your hands back on the steering wheel. But indeed it was amazing to experience that when the highway was bending it just followed that on its own.
     
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    Yes but as you can see on the picture I posted,there is a way to trick the system !
    Toyota obviously wants to keep the driver in control !
     
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    Aha, the bottle!
     
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    That's just what we need - cars that encourage even less attentive drivers.
     
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    I don't think weight alone can explain the Tesla's lower efficiency.:cool:
     
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    maybe because they are designed to go fast? seems efficiency is the last thing on a typical tesla buyers mind. after all, look at the market segment they went after.
     
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    congrats! please do a new thread with a full write up and ongoing experience as you have time. all the best!(y)
     
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    Tesla's have lousy cruise efficiency because they are heavy and because they use induction motors designed for very high power levels. That leads to high losses due to magnetization current.
     
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    Thanks, I will certainly report my experiences. But first I have to wait for its delivery, currently expected mid January.
     
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    ah, i thought you already got it. is that the same time it's coming here?
     
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