Prime vs. Hyundai Ioniq

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  1. Jan Treur

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    I am not so sure about it. I read that first the Korean market got a limited number of them, after which Europe will get a limited number and after that they again have to go for Korea first for a number of months. It seems that many of them are claimed by fleets. I don't know how the US fits in this planning.

    Even within the Netherlands dealers vary a lot in their prediction, after ordering now, from delivery end of December to even May, which is half a year later! I hope my own dealer is right in his prediction; he says "As far as we can see now they will enter the Netherlands beginning of January". Perhaps my own order, submitted two weeks ago, is still within the first wave that is coming to Europe.
     
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    Here they indicate arrival in the US very soon, this month:

    "The 124-mile Ioniq Electric and the Ioniq Hybrid model would soon be arriving to dealerships around you prior to the start of 2017."
     
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    There is one HUGE problem with the Ioniq for me: it is made by Hyundai. My previous car was a Hyundai 2005 Accent. The reliability of that car proved to be quite poor. The front driver-side rocker arm bushing went out twice, once at 30k and again at 90k. The accordion connection between the exhaust pipe and exhaust manifold cracked twice, one at 60k and again at 100k. The straw that broke the camel's back was having the clutch master cylinder (manual transmission) go out at 105k. At that point I was ready for a new car and it was definitely not going to be a Hyundai (or Kia).
     
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    I think the Ioniq is in for a ssllllooooowwww rollout in the US

    The rest of the world is the testbed as they are sold there, the improvements will roll into the eventual Ioniq hybrid here.

    Will be interesting to see if the BEV Ioniq makes it out of carb
     
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    I think the Ioniq will be a strong competitor. Someone will come along sooner or later and really compete hard against Toyota. This car may be the ticket.
     
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    A comparative test around Prague involving the Ioniq, the BMW i3 and the Leaf has been described here.
     
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    I just found this ongoing discussion about when arrival in the US is expected.
     
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    Anyone, even with an interest in the Ioniq, will find this very interesting.
     
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    What a disastrous performance by the Nissan Leaf !
    But to tell the truth,neither oh them really impresses me .
    The problem with electric cars is,that you have to go real easy on them,higher speeds 80-90 mph with AC on will kill the battery in no time,
    Exept maybe Tesla,but only because their electric cars carry a huge battery .
     
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    Yes, they also had very bad weather circumstances so that it was needed to use many electric devices such as for heating and defogging. That all costs part of your range, and indeed also the higher speeds give less range.
     
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    Interesting experiences with the Ioniq Electric in this radioprogram.
    He was able to get a range of 162 miles (260 km) in this cold season.
     
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    I surely do miss the LKA from my 2010 ATP. I hope they do a software update to bring it back to the Prime.
     
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    This article (from the forum mentioned above): Hyundai Ioniq EV Knocks Prius Prime Off Its Throne Preceding December Release | The News Wheel

    States that the Ioniq PHEV beats the Prime PHEV at 136 MPGe.

    But wait, there are numerous articles stating it's the Ioniq EV that scores 136 MPGe, not the PHEV which is set to be released 4-6 months later from the HV and EV versions.

    So not apples to apples yet and the article is misleading...Could the PHEV version of the Ioniq beat the Prime?

    Add a gas tank, add engine...I'm not too sure...it'd be close for sure but I might expect it to be less. The 136 MPGe and Ioniq Blue HV are headline grabbers, but still need full specs here. It's definitely a little Brainwashing here...
     
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    It most probably will beat it on the EPA test cycle, but not by much and we will see what real world statistic will tell.
     
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    Yes, you are right, we will only know that when the Ioniq Plug In is there and can be tested. There are also EPA-based lists for BEV's only where the Prime is not considered. Then the Ioniq EV is nr 1 with 136 MPGe and the BMW i3 is nr 2. with 124 MPGe and nr. 3 is the Bolt with 119 MPGe. Such lists are indeed more pure.

    On the Internet there are various reports about real world statistics of the range and efficiency in trips (in the current cold season) that are higher than expected (for the Ioniq EV). See, for example, the radioprogram I mentioned above. The Ioniq uses a rather active battery (temperature) conditioning system that is claimed to make the range less dependent on the outside temperature. Maybe that is a good step forward to higher efficiency and range.
     
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    Remember the Ioniq only has a 28 kWh battery,so getting 260 Km on a charge doesn't seem like real word realistic driving to me !
    Especially not under cold weather conditions !
    Who likes driving in a cold car for 260 Km at extreme low speed ?
     
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    I don't see why,their hybrid doesn't stand a chance against the 2016 Prius,several head to head tests prove that,so why would their Plug-in be better ?
     
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    Please complain as much as you can in America,they might will listen to you as opposed to use in Europe !
     
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    Yes, that one was to test how far you can come if you do your best. But other cases report around 200 km with realistic speed, which is still quite OK.
     
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    Yes I agree!
    It seems to be a pretty good electric car !
    May take a test drive myself .
     
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