Prius 2006 won't start

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    Hi all,

    Just changed my Prius main battery for a used one. The volts on each cell of the new battery is great...7.6v. After replacing it I then attempted to start the car, Unfortunately, the car wouldn't start. It only goes to neutral from Park. I'm getting a LAN code that say: D5-19--30-E, DC-1C6-E8-F, DC-190-34-B. Can anyone help me with this? Does this have anything to do with it? Please and thanks you!!
     
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    The orange disconnect on the hv battery needs to be locked. Push/slide down on it until you hear a click
     
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    Thank you! It worked. However, what’s different from my previous battery, is that I’m hearing clicking from the battery when power is pressed and when I shut the car down. Is this good or bad?
     
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    That's normal, it's the relays in the battery. You just wasn't paying as close of attention before
     
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    Thank you! It worked. However, what’s different from my previous battery, is that I’m hearing clicking from the battery when power is pressed and when I shut the car down. Is this good or bad?
     
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    Lol.. thanks. Also, if the cells in my battery are all 7.6 and one cell dies or have a power loss... can I replace it with a cell that is 8.5 (just one cell) will it affect the over all battery performance or doesn’t it matter?

    Please and thanks you.
     
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    Most modules will settle at around 7.5v - 7.8v. You won't find them at 8.5v after a week.
     
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    Thank you... very helpful!
     
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    You should really recondition the battery pack so all your modules will be balanced. Hybridautomotive makes a prolong charger kit to recondition modules.

    But you have to consider the price of new batteries have come down significantly this year. The reconditioning kit already costs about half of the new battery price. So many would just get new and get a good 10 years of reliability without having to worry about reconditioning.
     
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    What does reconditioning involved?

    I just got a used battery with all the cells 7.6v
    It’s from an 07 Prius with 200km...

    Would I need to recondition that?
     
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    It's an 11 year old battery, if you don't recondition it, it's not going to last very long.

    You can read all about reconditioning at hybridautomotive.com. It involves charging and discharging of your battery pack
     
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    Who knows how long any battery will last? 12v batteries come with a 5-year warranty that is PRORATED (some users have reported 7 years before they got stranded). Toyota gave us 10 years with the HVs and any are reporting 12 years or longer, but sudden death is also becoming quite normal. Alas, reconditioning with those $700 complicated, tedious, 3 day, kits may not work at all, can cause damage (and many who use them end up getting a brand new battery less than a year later).
     
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    Complicated (n)?

    Here’s a pic of the Intelligent Discharger:

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    Three settings buttons (easy to determine which one for which setting as the light illuminates) and a stop reset button. Pretty simple to me;).

    There is also a switch to turn it on and off, and the charger is an on off as well.

    Definitely not splitting atoms(y).
     
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    How long does it take to install one of these "simple" $700 systems (hours working with dangerously high voltage components)? How long does it take to do the full 3 cycles of discharge/charges (a long weekend with some babysitting)? How simple is it to drive away too soon before the battery cools off (ask JerryMildred who destroyed his battery pack)? And we really don't know if they work in the long run!
     
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    I’ll take this point by point to placate you and your grinding axe;):

    • The install on the harness took 1 hour and once the orange plug is pulled, there is not 220 volts there. Once the harness is installed, set the plug properly and you’re on your way.
    • The 3 cycle I find to not be necessary, but 4 days is about right. You can set an alarm to alert you when charging maybe done and the Intelligent Discharger has an audible alarm to inform you of its completion. This is once every six months, but I am doing that once a year as my battery still looks and performs well.
    • Follow the instructions and you don’t have to worry about that. As @jerrymildred has told you specifically, he forgot the instructions and that was the cost. If you get a nail in your tire, do you blame Goodyear :whistle:? Sometimes operator error happens, but blaming the tool and not the user is not well placed.
    • Since all batteries (and other components) have finite lifetimes, predicting exact lifetime is near impossible. But failure can be witnessed and if observant enough, your Prius gives you signs. Catch it early enough and you can prevent a large investment.
    I look forward to the day you have no axe left to grind and when your actual facts are presented(y).
     
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    Here's a pointer to a fairly recent thread:
    Hybrid Automotive Grid Charger Instructions | PriusChat
    Welcome to PriusChat!
    …there are many many threads on Prolong, and Grid Charging, and Hybrid Automotive Systems, here on PriusChat, and rather than quote them all here, I'll leave that as an exercise for you to do with the "search" function. The information is all here on PriusChat, this place is filled with (mostly) helpful folk only too willing to show their superior knowledge and share their wealth of information.
    Welcome again to PriusChat, and good luck! ;)

    (sorry, this was meant to be a reply to the OP)
     
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    A difference in interpretation of the facts is not an axe, it is an informed opinion. Yours is $700 worth of wishful thinking about some unproven, unguaranteed,commercial hype.
    * Install is an hour and a half may be about right for an EXPERIENCED Prius battery mechanic. Mere mortals will take twice that long.
    * 4 days to babysit a car? C'mon that is a serious PIA!
    * The $700 "simple" system should have a loud alarm that says when the car is/is NOT usable "May be" just doesn't cut the mustard. It should not be buried in the fine print. Jerry is a very skilled, very smart guy and still managed to destroy his battery. Consumers should beware.
    * EXACTLY when is "catching it early enough"? 8 years? 10? 12? Provide some real numbers to "observe" when the kit will work in certainty. When exactly is too late? And then, exactly how much longer will (not might) a battery last?
     
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    Well, let's start by asking:

    "How long is a piece of string?"

    ;)
     
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    Jeff has over 3000 units out in the field. Must be a lot of wishes about thinking (or does it work):whistle:.

    I share the equipment with another member here (who has a Gen2 and is reconditioning as we speak) and have loaned the equipment out to another local member who had a failed pack (2 bad modules) and is getting better mpg and battery performance than he has had in the 70 k miles he has had his 06. These are just 3 examples using the same exact equipment.

    Sharing reduces cost and allows for others to receive benefit of the equipment :).

    Since we have 2 cars, we take the wife’s RX450h and run errands. No babysitter here;).

    Do smart guys make mistakes? I work with a lot of smart people and even PhD’s make mistakes. How do I know: I sit in the root cause analysis investigations;). We are human, it happens but to blame the company for an honest mistake is not a fair representation.

    I installed our harness at the 149 k mile mark (the battery warranty in California is 10 years / 150 k miles). Once it would be out of warranty seemed like the right time to me;). If I would have been at 9 years and 11 months with low miles, that would seem like the right time to me;).

    I keep waiting for your facts :whistle:.

    Maybe one of these days when you put the axe down(y).
     
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    Phrase. How long is a piece of string? (colloquial, often humorous) Used as a response to a question such as "How long will it take?" or "How big is it?" when the length or size is UNKNOWN, INFINITE OR VARIABLE.

    * We DO know how long it will take: 1-3 hours for install of the wire to the High Voltage battery. Plus a whopping 4DAYS for the full cycling process, twice a year. Ugh!
    * We DO know how the big hype implies the battery will magically last infinitely. That is just irresponsible. Ekes!
    * We DO know that the length of a Prius battery life is about 12ish years: the VARIABLE is +- 3 years, so we can reasonably expect similar life from a brand new, genuine Toyota pack. As much as I admired the idea, the Prolong kit has little history to make any rational, scientific predictions and it costs a whopping $700 bucks (in addition to inevitable $1650 that will be needed later that year). Arrrg!
     
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