Featured Prius Gen 5 for 2021?

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by PriusPeep, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. fotomoto

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    Nissan Frontier (D40) is going on its 14th year..... :eek: :ROFLMAO:
     
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    Landcruiser much the same - and selling well still. Nissan Patrol over 10 years old too.
     
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    I think Hyundai has one.
     
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    I see they are going to extend CarKey to the Apple Watch. Kind of funny they are premiering it on BMWs. Don’t they have good remote key fobs like Toyotas’ ?

    On a short note, I never thought I’d use the kick sensor on my wife’s NXh, but I used it twice this past month. Much to her chagrin, I have to admit it’s the best beer buying experience I’ve had.


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    Could be the new Prius will be electric (pun intended). Here’s an idea:


    Toyota's Strangest Concept Could Replace The Prius | CarBuzz

    Of course they could keep it out of the US market.


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    The funny thing is that Toyota did have a SKS watch for the Toyota Crown in Japan way back in the mid 2000s, around the same time the "wallet-sized key card" debuted on the 2006 LS.

    BMW has an optional multi-function remote with a screen that allows the owner to check the status of the vehicle as well as perform the remote parking function. I believe it's called BMW Digital Key.
     
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    Thank you for the replies. I didn't realize the Prius is on a six-year production cycle.

    I am trying to decide between Gen 5 Prius and RAV4 Hybrid. I don't think I want to wait more than two years. I would never buy any first year redesign vehicle.

    I think I am going to wait and see what the 2021 RAV4 has to offer. It was all-new in 2019 so it would be the third year. Perhaps a mid-cycle refresh? I do see in Consumer Reports that there have been two RAV4 recalls this year for a suspension issue and coolant leak problem. (Get it together, Toyota!)

    And I will say again that I hope Toyota will continue to develop and improve hybrids. I don't know why anyone would want an electric car. It requires recharging and the distance in the best vehicle is 300 miles in perfect conditions. In cold weather the milage is sharply reduced, according to CR.

    A hybrid such as Prius, on the other hand, recharges itself and will travel 650-plus miles on one tank of gas (500-plus in winter). How nice.
     
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    nor close nor lock it either. The highlight of laziness.

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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    umm...I don't know...maybe to do our part to prevent/limit climate change
     
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    That range is plenty for most people. It is actually excessive for how the large majority of cars are used. Even in the winter.

    All cars need refueling. Daily charging takes up less of a person's time than refilling an ICE car. Now, not everyone has access to charging at home or work, but that is more an issue with availability and regulations than with BEVs themselves. Curb side charging is expanding in Europe. There are still a lot of households in the US that can charge at home.

    All the energy a Prius uses comes from gasoline. Its long range comes from a very efficient engine, and making use of motors and a battery to leverage that efficiency to the hilt.

    Hybrids reduce fossil fuel use, but don't eliminate it. Without a plug, they can't reduce that fuel use to the point of letting renewable fuels be feasible.
     
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    According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, "Most of the largest electric power plants in the United States have steam turbines."

    How are those turbines powered? "The fuels or energy sources used for steam turbines include biomass, coal, geothermal energy, petroleum fuels, natural gas, nuclear energy, and solar thermal energy," reports EIA.

    Here's the link: How electricity is generated - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

    It would be wonderful to achieve 100 percent solar, wind, renewable, etc. We're not close.

    Let's hope more of the smartest people in math and science choose careers in engineering rather than Wall Street and plastic surgery.
     
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    Seems like someone hasn't been keeping up with current events;
    Tesla Model S Long Range Plus Exceeds 400 Miles Of Range, EPA Confirms
    So .... yes - in freezing cold weather you might only get 340 miles instead of 400. Even so, in slushy icy freezing weather? Every vehicle takes a hit. Same with mountainous driving. Driving straight for 300 or 400 miles? That many hours too - is not for everybody. But an electric car isn't for everybody so no one needs to talk their self out of one.

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    That is plenty for a large majority of car use. And for multi-car households, of which there are plenty, all-electric can be a perfect fit the second / commuter / non-road-trip car.

    "... hybrid ... recharges itself ..." is such a misleading phrase, too easily causing confusion. I refuse to use it. A hybrid's energy source is still entirely fossil fuel, its main benefit is just that it uses somewhat less.

    Hybrids are just a single step along the path to an 80% carbon reduction goal by 2050. Many additional steps are required.
    There is no good reason to wait until then before rolling out electric cars.

    The nation's electric grid is shifting away from carbon fuels. While there is still a long way to go nationally, some areas are already mostly non-carbon. E.g. Seattle City Light is already carbon neutral (after purchasing offsets for its tiny carbon slice, including its vehicle fleet):
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    Snohomish County PUD isn't fully there yet, but is darn close:
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    ... and that big BPA (Bonneville Power Administration) slice is at least 95% non-carbon:
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    Notice that the National bar has much less carbon-rich coal than one and two decades ago. That is significant progress.
     
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    Even with fossil fuels being used for power generation, a BEV is responsible for less CO2 emissions per mile than ICE cars. For most of the country, they emit less than a Prius.
     
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    please don't feel like anyone is ganging up on you ..... it's just many of the (erroneous) points get regurgitated regularly ..... kind of like when gen II Prius came out & antagonists just made up stuff, like;
    - toxic mines needed to make their batteries
    - it's just a halo car
    - Toyota looses money on every hybrid
    - a Hummer is more efficient dust to dust
    - when battery dies, you can't afford replacement
    - etc
    Similarly - regarding, "the distance in the best vehicle is 300 miles in perfect conditions". Perfect conditions is NOT the EPA criteria for any car ICE - EV - hybrid or PHEV There's average Highway, there's average city, & there's Blended.
    Also, "it requires recharging"
    ICE have to be recharged as well. Difference is, it may take 3 or 4 seconds to plug in at home, while I might have to wait in a Costco line for 10 or more minutes - come away with a hand smelling like gas. IOW - both sides have pluses & drawbacks.
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    Toyota Motor : The 2021 Toyota Prius Prime Adds Safety and Tech While Continuing to Combine the Best of Both Worlds | MarketScreener

    No redesign for the 2021 model but to summarize:

    1) TSS 2.0 to replace TSS-P
    2) Remote Apps are back - Limited includes remote climate and charge management - oddly it’s done through the JBL system and not some type of Entune.
    3) Android Auto has been added.

    Edited to show the Remote App Management for the Limited trim is through JBL not Entune.

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    We went with 2020 RAV4H but would have opted for 2020 Prius v which unfort does not exist in USA market. The upcoming VenzaH will have some adv over RAV4H (better AWD).
     
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    Note that AndroidAuto is only added to the LE model (i.e. the 7" MFD that's shared with other Toyotas).

    Looks like Toyota nav returns to the LE model (no more ScoutGPS). Curiously, it's now called "integrated navigation". Previously, Toyota used the term "embedded navigation" for its built-in nav system (to distinguish it from the app-based navigation, ScoutGPS).

    Prime also adds 2 rear side airbags (although the Toyota photos don't show the airbag cutout on the door panels. There's not much room to mount them on the rear seatbacks)
     
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    I'm also waiting for the GEN V Prius to be released...or at least announced. I'm interested in any new HSD drivetrain tech that might be announced.

    However, I'm also really interested in the upcoming Corolla Cross, etc...Of course, the Cross will have existing Gen 4 HSD tech.

    I have time to wait though..I'm trying to get at least 200K out of the Prius v wagon ( it has over 160K on it now )...with no discernible oil consumption. Our 2010 liftback is another story....it has around 125K but slowly consumes oil...and I've given up mitigation attempts as it is not worth it at this point. Hope to get 150K+ on it if I can.
     
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