Prius Prime Short Test Drive Review

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-Current)' started by 'LectroFuel, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. fotomoto

    fotomoto Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2009
    5,075
    3,351
    0
    Location:
    So. Texas
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    WOW! Toyota has just invented the perpetual motion machine.
     
    bisco likes this.
  2. 'LectroFuel

    'LectroFuel Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2016
    880
    669
    0
    Location:
    San Juan Capistrano, CA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    Well, when you think about it, since the engine is going to be on constantly while traveling on the freeway in regular hybrid mode, why not leave the car in CHG mode when the battery gets low and switch to EV once the charging is finished? The engine will be force charging and propelling the car. I don't know if this will get more MPG, but it's just a suggestion.
     
    Tideland Prius, john1701a and bisco like this.
  3. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    88,799
    39,704
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    i don't know enough about it to make a definitive statement. for all i know, it might be cheaper to force charge the car at 2 bucks a gallon than to plug it in at 24 cents/kwh. it's going to be fun to find out!
     
    JamesBurke likes this.
  4. 'LectroFuel

    'LectroFuel Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2016
    880
    669
    0
    Location:
    San Juan Capistrano, CA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    The Toyota guy said that you have to hold the HV/EV button for a second and it will switch to CHG mode. You can stop CHG mode at any time.
     
  5. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    15,127
    6,882
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    But why spend extra for the plug in if the person can't charge it from an outlet? The incentives aren't going to last forever, and EV only sections of a city aren't a very common thing.
     
    'LectroFuel likes this.
  6. Prius Maximus

    Prius Maximus Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 2004
    877
    712
    1
    Location:
    Northeastern IL
    Vehicle:
    2014 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Exactly. You get the incentive which you would not have to pass on when reselling later after incentives end.
     
  7. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    15,127
    6,882
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Which would be a narrow window with a big if.
    Toyota has only used a portion of their allotment of the federal tax credit; 45,000 between the Rav4 EV and PiP. At Toyota's projected 30k a year, the remaining amount may last to the introduction of the next generation. The miles a typical American will put on the car if bought now will over shadow the amount of the incentive not passed on.

    So a person needs to buy a Prime closer to when the incentives will run out, and hold on to the car at least long enough that the initial depreciation isn't a bigger loss. Which brings us to the big if. The assumption for this to work is that the price of a new Prime is still around what they paid. With no other plug in for sale from Toyota, the person will be selling around the time of the next generation Prime arrives.

    There will be discounts on that last year of the current generation, and going by past trends, the next gen model will start even lower. The Prime starts at over $2000 less than the PiP did. The Volt cut over $6000 off the price between the generations. So even with federal incentives gone, a new Prime will likely be lower cost than when your Prime was new. Even if that isn't so, the used Prime will be keeping against a new model that will be an improvement over it; longer range or better packaging of the battery.

    I only see this working if the incentives for Toyota last into the second generation, and a person buys then.
     
  8. 'LectroFuel

    'LectroFuel Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2016
    880
    669
    0
    Location:
    San Juan Capistrano, CA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    If they didn't have access to an outlet at the time.
     
  9. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    15,127
    6,882
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    But if being without charger access is a temporary state, then Charge mode really isn't a necessity.;)
     
    'LectroFuel likes this.
  10. fotomoto

    fotomoto Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2009
    5,075
    3,351
    0
    Location:
    So. Texas
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    It will be interesting to see if CHG mode can help with mountains ascents.
     
    ttait likes this.
  11. bhtooefr

    bhtooefr Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2016
    1,366
    1,453
    0
    Location:
    Newark, OH, USA
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    CHG on a never-plugged Prime in the US (where there's no such thing as ICE bans) would only make sense if it could prevent an ICE warm-up cycle the next time the car is driven, or if it's ascending a mountain fast enough to deplete the HV section of the SoC range, I'd say.

    Now, I've just wondered something... Will the tax credit's impact to resale value (that AFAIK, literally every PHEV and BEV except for maybe Tesla's products has taken) affect the Liftback's resale value too?
     
Loading...