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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by gen2prius, Jan 7, 2023.

  1. gen2prius

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    Car couldn't start this morning, and was showing that "P lock" error. Luckily have a NOCO booster laying around, so did not waste a lot time to jump start. Drove around a bit and car started fine later.

    Perhaps it's a reminder to replace the battery. The current battery was changed in July 2016 at 72,000km. Car now has 129,000km.

    It's a Panasonic battery, with Toyota part number: 2880021171, it appears to be no longer available. A quick search of Yuasa batteries found S46B24R, sometimes sold as Century S46B24R, I think it's sort of parent/subsidiary situation. It's marketed as "hybrid auxiliary" battery, and it is significantly dearer than regular AGM batteries, like double the price - AU$300 vs AU$150.

    Is it necessary to go with this sort of specialised batteries?
     
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    With the battery’s age and condition, it’s replacement time.

    Check local-to-you automotive retailers, preferably their websites; they often have a function, you say you’re in need of a 12 volt battery, enter your vehicle’s stats, and it’ll show any they have that are compatible.

    If websites fall short, just phone retailers, describe your vehicle and tell them you need a battery.
     
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    Local automotive websites are generally not very helpful in compatibility searches, it's too much information to maintain for a relatively small market.

    Anyhow, I have found a Toyota Parts page that links 2880021171 to S46B24R, so looks like that is the correct battery. Will call Toyota parts on Monday to see if 2880021171 is still available at a reasonable price. Will also check the diagnostic screen in the morning, I recall there's some battery voltage information.
     
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    Further reading explains that auxiliary hybrid battery is a kind of stop-start battery, it's more demanding due to repeated starts in a journey.

    A lot of newer cars have stop-start systems to save fuel when idling, but I have never heard of special stop-start batteries until today.
     
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    No, the Prius has 2 batteries. The 12v auxiliary battery, and the hybrid battery. The 12v battery in a Gen 2 Prius merely powers up the 12v auxiliaries, like computers and lights. The Hybrid battery does all the engine starting and AC operation.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification. So for Prius, the 12V auxiliary battery is not part of stop-start system? If so, then there's no point paying for the more expensive replacement.

    Update from this morning, car started fine, the diagnostic screen shows 13.8V, which is slightly lower than the ideal 14.3V.

    Had to switch the car off to exit from diagnostic, then wouldn't start again. More or less confirmed a new battery is in order.
     
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    A hybrid like a Prius is not the same as a "normal" car with start-stop function.

    The 12V in a Prius only powers up the computers- takes under 30 amps for a couple seconds until the HV battery takes over via the DC-DC converter. Very light duty.

    Start-stop "main" battery has to run the starter motor- maybe 150-200 amps for a second or so. If there is an "auxiliary"battery, it has to power all 12V loads while the engine is off.

    I have had good results with Toyota 12V; also Napa AGM or Deka (made by East Penn manufacturing).

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Once the car is "ready" the HV system moves the car and starts-stops the ICE, it also powers the DC-DC converter which charges the 12V battery and all 12V loads.

    The diag screen on the MFD isn't a good substitute for a decent multimeter. A fully charged AGM 12V reads about 12.6-22.8V with the car turned off. When "ready" the DC-DC supplies "about" 14.0V steady under most conditions.
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    Yeah that voltage doesn’t mean much. Try checking voltage first thing in the morning, car off, with a multimeter.

    voltage is just tip-of-the-iceberg for battery testing, but still good for a quick check.
     
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    The aux battery measures 12.0V this afternoon (multimeter), will test again in the morning.
     
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    replace it before you get stranded somewhere
     
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    Turns out the Toyota 12v aux battery 2880021171 is still readily available, roughly the same price as aftermarket ones, makes the decision easy.

    Will include battery voltage in future routine checks, does it matter to measure from the positive terminal under the hood? Or best to measure directly from the battery terminals? I got the readings from under the hood like so.

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    Might be slightly higher at posts, but jump point more convenient.
     
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    how long had the car been off when you took the reading?

    12v is low, but not totally unacceptable. the more important reading is with a load, high beams, radip fan high, etc.
     
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    That is good advice from bisco about doing a load test. in addition, the resting voltage needs to be taken after the battery was fully charged (which could take 16-18 hours housing an external multi-step automatic battery charger) otherwise it does not mean so much.

    In the load test mentioned by bisco, if the voltage is above 10.5 V then it is not so much an issue to the car, but it does indicate a severely compromised battery which you should consider changing. Personally, I wouldn't think twice about changing the battery if, in that load test, it showed a voltage below 11 V.

    Good luck.

    PS, if you want to charge the 12 V battery using the car, it would take a similar amount of time with the car on in READY to fully charge and there would be no difference driving around or not.
     
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    Thanks for the extra information.

    When we bought the last battery from a Toyota dealer some years ago, they insisted that the battery needed a full charge using their "special" charger. We have a small C-Tek charger (MXS 5), they said they are not the same.

    The service department charged the battery free of charge (no pun intended ;)) but it was a minor inconvenience to come back the following day.

    Strangely, this time they said that the battery is pre-charged and it is good to go. Go figure :unsure:
     
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    They are probably right, given they have probably got some commercial beast that can be set to charge at 10 or 15 A.

    I can vouch for the adequacy of the C-Tek MXS 5 as that's what I have and have been using for some years quite successfully.
     
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    I acquired a Solar BA5 maybe a decade back; current similar tester is BA9. I’m not that knowledgeable about how it works, but it seems to do well. You enter some stats about the battery, do the test, and it gives you as-tested CCA and a verdict: pass, pass-but-needs-charge, or fail.

    I’m using essentially the same charger I think, model 4.3. Our car use is about as low as you can go and still justify ownership, about 3k kms a year. I keep the battery on the charger pretty much constantly; car often sits for multiple days. For convenience I have the quick-connect wiring installed. Current battery was installed September of 2015, still showing like-new readings.
     
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    Yeah, C-Tek is good stuff, I originally bought it to trickle charge motorcycle battery and it has been very reliable.

    Also quite like their comfort connect system, over the more commonly seen 2-pin quick release plug and socket type. Only minor downside is being a proprietary connector it is not available as spare part. Workaround is to take the male connector from their connect adapter to wire other accessories (my use case was to swap between a C-Tek charger and a GPS unit that is fused but not switched).
     
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