Proof There is NO Climate Consensus

mojo · Dec 5, 2012

I would say its possible those numbers could indeed overlap.
By how much is impossible to say ,so I stand corrected.
I should amend my observation to, up to 7% have been pressured .
That brings up the possibilty of some scientists getting pressured from all three sources.Not a pretty picture.

chogan2 said: ↑

I guess I should point that this this is somewhat different from what is cited in the original post. So, the seven percent cited in the original post comes from adding 3+2+2, above. Which, by the way, the people who did the survey didn't do, which should clue you in that those numbers likely overlap. And somehow the original post didn't mention mention the other side of those questions, or do the same "arithmetic", which would yield 5+3+2 = 10% pressured to deny global warming. So, by the numbers, more self-reported pressure to deny it than to exaggerate it.
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austingreen · Dec 5, 2012

mojo said: ↑

I would say its possible those numbers could indeed overlap.
By how much is impossible to say ,so I stand corrected.
I should amend my observation to, up to 7% have been pressured .
That brings up the possibilty of some scientists getting pressured from all three sources.Not a pretty picture.
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I would hope few scientists today feel pressure, and some of the bad ol' people doing the pressuring have now felt some pressure to layoff. One of these pressure groups is Heartland, that seems to be more and more alone these days. Still we have an editorial with some facts and an author that likes Heartland.

First the Fake consensus example
That Scientific Global Warming Consensus...Not! - Forbes

Senator John Kerry gave a sizzling 55-minute indictment on the Senate floor of those who challenge global warming crisis claims. He referred to a “calculated campaign of disinformation”, which he said “…has steadily beaten back theconsensus momentum [italics added] for action on climate change and replaced it with timidity proponents in the face of millions of dollars of phony, contrived ‘talking points’, illogical and wholly unscientific propositions, and a general scorn for the truth wrapped in false threats about job loss and tax increase.” In his speech, Kerry called for the public to be “pounding on the doors of Congress” to act, and cataloged global perils such as drought, floods, wildfires, threatened coastlines, disease risks and more, noting “the danger we face could not be more real.”
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Note the stating of the scientific consensus for goverment action. I'm not sure anyone has taken this pole, but I also don't know why a scientist's on government spending is any more scientific than say a movie star or a plumber.

Now what is the consensus?
That their is climate change from ghg, and man is contributing to this.

“It is important to distinguish between the statement, which is true, that there is no scientific consensus that AGW [anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming] is or will be a catastrophe, and the also-true claims that the climate is changing (of course it is, it is always changing), and that most scientists believe there may be a human impact on climate (our emissions and alterations of the landscape are surely having an impact, though they are often local or regional (like heat islands) and small relative to natural variation).” And yes, I truly do hold both Joe Bast and Heartland in high esteem.
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I find the above factually correct, but I would not hold Joe Bast or Heartland as unbiased observers. It does make more sense than the claimed consensus that Kerry claimed.

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