Public Charging in Socal Sucks!

Discussion in 'Prime Main Forum (2017-Current)' started by HPrimeAdvanced, May 12, 2019.

  1. HPrimeAdvanced

    HPrimeAdvanced Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2017
    2,265
    3,426
    0
    Location:
    Anaheim, CA
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    Went to visit a friend this last weekend who lives about 17 1/2 miles away. The route to his house on surface streets is burdened with many hills, so I knew I would have to charge my car at some point. I'm committed to the eco contest that tries to avoid using gasoline at any cost. You really have to be some kind of sicko to do this, but, long story, I HATE gas companies, I don't play video games, but I love to play games with my Prime. And, I've got the time to experiment. So I survey for charging stations along my route; I find 2 and feel confident that at least one of them will work. WRONG, garlic breath!! The best "looking" one, was a very difficult to find evGo station, with 2 connectors neither of which worked. Called it in; support couldn't help. Searched for #2 location, not as hard to find, another evGo, also near evGo fast chargers; it was occupied by a Leaf. Damn! I see Puente Hills Toyota across the street; aha, Toyota White Knight! No flipping way; "no we don't have any chargers". Couldn't believe the guy, so I drove to the back, where a person who appeared to work for the service department kindly offered to let me use a 110v connection, but I didn't want to move in to the dealership, I just wanted to get a "quick" charge, enough to get home from my friend's house on electricity. So I passed.
    Next door was Puente Hills VW, where the staff were kind enough to divulge the location of the carefully hidden ChargePoint charger, where I was able to get enough juice to stay on electric.
    I chatted with Joseph, 4 month salesman, recently arrived from South Korea, who kept offering me coffee! Nice chap who talked up the all-electric eGolf with its 120 mile (ridiculous) range, selling for $33k. I don't think that company is currently serious about selling electric anything. They had tons of gas burning lumber wagons, while the one (dirty) eGolf was meticulously banished to the back of the lot.
    I won't live that long, but someday I do believe there'll come better times for EV powered/enhanced vehicles and their owners and potential owners. Hey, call me a dreamer.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
    AChoiredTaste.com
     
    iplug, Mark57, benagi and 3 others like this.
  2. schja01

    schja01 One of just a few in Chicagoland

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2005
    748
    449
    0
    Location:
    Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
  3. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    78,056
    32,959
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    same here. unless you've got a tesla, chargers are few and far between. and that's assuming they are unused and working.
    (i like garlic:unsure:)
     
    TGrracie and HPrimeAdvanced like this.
  4. HaydithePrius

    HaydithePrius New Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2018
    7
    6
    1
    Location:
    Redmond, WA
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Premium
    Hey, I'm a freelancer for EVgo. Which station are you at? Would like to report that for you. Also, I'm still subscribed here but I just sold my '17 Prius Prime for $22k and got a $14k 2016 Kia Soul EV with 95 miles of range and only 20k miles on it. I'm a million times happier with it and I'll pay it off two years sooner. I probably shouldn't say this on a Prius forum but I'm so happy to have zero relationship with gas anymore. My "new" car has much better acceleration too. 95 miles of range is perfect for getting around my area, I used to charge every day with the Prius Prime and majorly stress about it because, like you, I hated using gas. Anyway, best of luck to you.
     
  5. orenji

    orenji Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2013
    4,515
    3,090
    0
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    I am not sure that owning a Tesla is much better if your using Super Chargers for the majority of your charges. They are always full, so waiting on an open spot requires free time and patience.
     
    HPrimeAdvanced likes this.
  6. HPrimeAdvanced

    HPrimeAdvanced Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2017
    2,265
    3,426
    0
    Location:
    Anaheim, CA
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    The thing is, I still need/want my circa 700 mile total range to go to Bakersfield, San Diego, Palmdale, etc., something I can't do with most current EV's. I don't have the necessary money for Tesla, and insist on a thoroughly proven product equal to the Prime. I ain't no gambler and just noted that the current electrical infrastructure is completely inadequate for my needs (I'm including here the unacceptable length of time to charge current EV's). I'm a wildman when it comes to cars, compared to my neighbors and most friends who are content driving their ICE turds without considering the electrical alternatives.

    Edit: thanks for the "report" offer; spoke to Matt and reported the L2 station at the Puente Hills mall, I think the number was C5508? The hardware looked like it had seen WWIII !

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
    AChoiredTaste.com
     
    ReDave and Merkey like this.
  7. padroo

    padroo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    2,732
    2,175
    13
    Location:
    Chesterton, Indiana Another third world country.
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    I thought California was being the leader for infrastructure for BEV, guess I was wrong.

    Here in Indiana we are just glad to have a bad road and lamp oil to see by.
     
  8. triggerhappy007

    triggerhappy007 Active Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2018
    300
    186
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Premium
    I think they're a step ahead of Toyota still. They just announced the ID 3, an all electric hatchback for sale in Europe in 2020. They had 10,000 pre-orders on the first day. Any news on a Toyota BEV with 200+ mile range?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2019/05/08/vw-id3-specs-electric-hatchback-range/amp/
     
    benagi and Marine Ray like this.
  9. HaydithePrius

    HaydithePrius New Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2018
    7
    6
    1
    Location:
    Redmond, WA
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Premium
    There are other decent options like the Hyundai Kona (258 miles) or a better PHEV like the Chevy Volt (53 miles). But I totally hear you, it's tough to get the best of both worlds. I'm up in Seattle and we'll be renting a car for weekends to Vancouver or Portland. But anyway about the infrastructure, I know it sucks now but please know a) There are a lot of people working really hard on this. EVgo plans to double their charging capacity before the end of 2020 and they are headquartered in LA; b) It's better in CA than most places; and c) Infrastructure does get a little better when you have a full BEV because you can use the CHAdeMO or CCS chargers. And the Level 3 chargers can get you 90 miles in 30 minutes - it's pretty cool. Anyway, best of luck to you.
     
    #9 HaydithePrius, May 13, 2019
    Last edited: May 13, 2019
    HPrimeAdvanced likes this.
  10. smyles

    smyles Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2019
    115
    52
    0
    Location:
    US
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Premium
    Extremism of any sort is bad. Preaching it is even worse...
     
  11. johnchang7

    johnchang7 Junior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2007
    18
    5
    0
    I think you need to carry your charger with you. ChargePoint has a map of sockets you can use. There is the chance of it getting stolen but I hear you. I live in SoCal also. And there’s a ton of EV cars never really noticed till I got one.
     
    HPrimeAdvanced likes this.
  12. HPrimeAdvanced

    HPrimeAdvanced Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2017
    2,265
    3,426
    0
    Location:
    Anaheim, CA
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    My friends keep telling me to buy that 3000 mile extension cord!!

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
    AChoiredTaste.com
     
    walterm, benagi and johnchang7 like this.
  13. Salamander_King

    Salamander_King Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2015
    3,054
    2,235
    0
    Location:
    New England
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Premium
    If public charging in CA is that bad, no wonder I have not seen a single charge station around where I live in rural NE. Even when I travel down to Boston, I have not spotted any public charge station. Admitted, I did not look for them hard, for even if I find it somewhere waiting 2 hours to gain 30 miles of EV range is just not appealing to me.
     
    TGrracie and HPrimeAdvanced like this.
  14. jb in NE

    jb in NE Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    529
    325
    0
    Location:
    Nebraska
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Premium
    Why not charge at the friend's house?
     
    TGrracie and HPrimeAdvanced like this.
  15. HPrimeAdvanced

    HPrimeAdvanced Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2017
    2,265
    3,426
    0
    Location:
    Anaheim, CA
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Plug-in Advanced
    It would have taken too long to get enough charge via his 110v. I had to get home as quickly as possible for another engagement.

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
    AChoiredTaste.com
     
  16. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    78,056
    32,959
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    there were two charging stations when i parked at symphony hall garage, both were ooo
     
  17. iplug

    iplug Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2012
    1,787
    1,197
    0
    Location:
    Rocklin, CA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    We're not too far behind with tough public charging in NorCal.

    Perhaps the biggest problem is with "free" public charging stations. Most of these are blocked by squatters who plug in for "free" (to them) juice. The rest of us who want to plan shopping trips and get some juice are often out of luck. Unfortunately the squatters ruin the win-win for customer/business there. If businesses saw that charging folks were appropriately patronizing their stores, more stations would appear. Alas, human nature.

    EVgo is a problem for much of the same reason. Although they do have paid subscriptions, the most common folks I see using their stations have "no charge to no charge" (free to customer) plans from companies like Nissan. A few EVgo stations also have free to everyone L2 charging.

    All of this makes it a poor business decision to build more charging stations and a lucrative situation for squatters (who value free electricity . Even the rare busy charging station at $0.30/kWh never recovers install and repair costs.

    As with most things economic, such things must be priced right to work well.
     
    HPrimeAdvanced likes this.
  18. jb in NE

    jb in NE Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2018
    529
    325
    0
    Location:
    Nebraska
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Premium
    Interesting that people "expect" to find free electricity for fuel, but we don't have free gasoline anywhere.

    The problem with public charging is that unless you have a really fast charge, the vehicle will be left unattended. 2+ hours for full charge on a Prime, nobody is sitting in the car the whole time. This leads to vehicles taking up a space in the queue when they are done. When you pump a tank of gasoline, you are done in a few minutes and drive away. And, at the cost of most public L2 charging with fees, it's cheaper for me to run the car on gasoline back to the house and charge at home at my leisure.
     
  19. bruceha_2000

    bruceha_2000 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2004
    3,039
    268
    19
    Location:
    Northwest VT
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    And that assumes the station is somewhere you would find something to do other than sit in the car and read. I didn't see any with that description between here and Sackville New Brunswick. You would think that at least some shopping malls would have charging stations.

    And in a Prime, gas would have to cost over $4/gallon to break even. There is a gas station 3 miles from my house with a charging station - $2/hour, minimum $2. Break even on gas would be what, $13/gallon?
     
  20. iplug

    iplug Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2012
    1,787
    1,197
    0
    Location:
    Rocklin, CA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    In a Prime, charging for 30 minutes while shopping may not be worth it. In our Leaf or Model 3, however, that's 13 miles range gained during that time at most L2 stations.

    Spend 2 hours shopping at the mall and 54 EV miles are banked. Unfortunately, the mall usually takes a lot more money than is saved in free electricity, but that's how the game is supposed to work.:D
     
    triggerhappy007 likes this.
Loading...