Purchasing Used 2012 PiP / Help with Testing EV Mode

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  1. kilimar

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    Background :)

    I recently backed into my wife's 2008 Honda Fit with my 2008 Prius. It was just a small ding (fist size, maybe 1/2" deep) on the passenger back door. My bumper has a tear that I repaired using a Harbor Freight plastic welding kit (aka Soldering Iron with a flat tip, steel mesh, and extra rubber to melt). Anyway, now she wants a new(-to-us) car. I founda 2012 PiP Base with 130K for $9K.
    • Initial registration was in NY.
    • Looked at the carfax: 3 owner, 2 accidents by 2nd owner (something I read suggested rear incidents)
    • Looks like 100% dealer serviced per Toyota service history.
    • The cosmetic repair from the accidents (looks like rear) is okay, it was not 100% fit, saw a bit of PU glue where the bumper normally "snaps" in and there is a 1/4" gap on the rear passenger side.
    • Minimal to no rust on the bottom metal / bolts / nuts. Including the muffler.
    • Checked the fluids and they look okay (not dirty or burnt or smelled funny).
    • There might be an alignment problem as one of the tires looks like is worn (outside) more than the rest.
    • Hooked up ODBC2 and looked at the ECU Ready in Torque... and it looks like all the status were okay. And such that codes weren't cleared recently.
    • It was a cool night (74F) so the AC was on and blowing slightly cooler air. Did not test Heat, but being in the south, I don't use heat. Although, I guess my wife might ... so it might be good to test that.
    • Drove for maybe 5-10 miles and the battery status went up and down 2-3 bars but stayed around 75%. I don't recall how many total bars, but it was never 100% and it didn't drop more than 2-3 bars in the time driving.
    • Radio worked.
    • Driver-side front, (not signal) yellow light is out... is that LED or regular bulb?
    And I just this thread: What to check when buying a used PiP? | PriusChat.

    I couldn't test EV mode (to see how many miles I can get on the 10 year old, 120K miles hybrid battery). I tried pressing the EV button while driving (after driving for 5+ minutes), stopped a light (after driving for 8+ minutes), and after turning the car off/on (first thing). The message that I got each time was something to the effect that the battery is not fully charged.

    Can you folks help me with....
    • How to make sure the cable and charging is working properly? The owner just messaged me suggested meeting at a place where there is a ChargePoint station. Is it more than just plugging it in and seeing blinky lights?
    • How can I put it in EV mode so that I can test the 10 year old battery and see how many miles it can drive in EV? I will not buy a PiP, if the hybrid battery can not handle 10 miles on flat terrain (is this unreasonable?).
    • Anything else I need to check that I may of missed?
    Thanks all!
     
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    the battery is only 6 years old

    you can plug it into most any 15 amp 120v socket that doesn't have anything else running on it

    the battery won't be 10 years old unit 2022. just plug it into an outlet and plug it into the car. wait 3 hours for it to charge and try your route

    my concern would be accident repair details

    are you near tampa? todd at tampa hybrids sells a lot of pips

    how many miles on her?
     
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    A full charge usually takes about 2 hours and 20 minutes for me. You know it's done when the charge light at the input port goes out. (The Entune app would also tell you the state of charge and the EV range). With any charge over 20% the car should automatically be in EV mode when you power on. Bear in mind that the indicated EV range is an estimate, based on recent driving habits and usually lower than the best you can do when you try to drive for maximum range. Yes, and calling for any amount of heat will instantly start the engine.
     
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    or the front defrost button
     
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    or the rear defrost button
     
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    and don't forget no spare
     
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    This and a pair of pliers will handle almost any puncture in the tread area if you carry a mini air compressor. Check the little trunk for the Toyota flat kit anyway. You should find a bottle of Toyota slime and a Toyota compressor that only works when connected to the bottle. If you ever go that route, you'll need to have the tire serviced and the TPMS valve replaced.
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    Could you provide a link to the flat repair picture please.
     
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    I'm having some trouble posting the Amazon link, (maybe it's not allowed?). Anyway, it's the Slime 1034-A T-Handle Tire Plug Kit. Similar kits are generally available.
     
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    That works, thanks
     
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    One other thing missing in the repair picture is a pair of some kind of pliers to remove whatever is stuck in your tire.
     
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    Thanks all for the replies.

    • Bisco -
    • Yeah, sorry, bad math. :) 6-years old battery, not 10.
    • The car has 130K on it. High average.
    • Tampa is 2 hours away. It's unlikely the owner will let me drive it there to have it checked. How does one normally go about getting a car checked professionally on a private sale?
    • As for the accident details. I can get a report for $12, if I know the last name of the party involved, date, and incident number. I have 2 of the 3. I don't know the last name of the owner in 2012.
    • Pluggo -
    • Yes, there is no spare. I did see the original Toyota Slime and compressor kit in the trunk. I have a 'Slime' branded tire repair kit with pliers in my current Prius since the tire was removed and replaced with a Hymotion.
    • Which part of Entune App would be useful and what should it "show" / "reading" to indicate the car is "well" ?

    • I don't believe the defrost, rear, or heat was on and I could not get it into EV mode. Thoughts?
    • Is 10 miles on flat reasonable? Or is that too high of an expectation on 6-year old battery?
     
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    Allow me to chime in, please. Pluggo has an advanced model and the base model you're looking at doesn't have all the same bells and whistles.
    Entune gives me no information on state of charge on my base model. In fact, if does nothing useful at all, imho. I recently installed the update on my phone app and it wants me to log in or start an account. Not sure what that's about, but I have other stuff to do. Others may feel differently, but you won't find may people here who have much use for it.

    Unlike the non-plug in Prius, the PiP will not go into EV mode at all unless you have some EV range available. Once the EV range hits 0, the EV button won't work until you get the battery charged up. This can sometimes be done with a very large, steep hill, which you won't find in FL, or by plugging it in. Kind of annoying sometimes, but I can't complain since I average around 120 mpg in typical driving. It's the road trips where I don't get to plug in that bring it down.

    While the EV button does nothing without some EV battery range showing, you can still drive it in EV for a ways under about 42 mph once the engine is warm just using a gentle right foot, just like the other Prii.

    That's very reasonable depending on the speed and air conditioning. I have almost 84,000 miles on my PiP. Much of my driving is 45-60 mph with a stop at least once a mile and needing the a/c. Worst possible mileage conditions! I get about 10-11 miles in those situations. If I'm in Tampa and save my charge till I get there, I can get more like 14 miles. Air conditioning will take as much as two miles off of your range.

    As for testing the EVSE cable, you'll just need to plug it in. As @bisco said, any 120V 15A outlet will do as long as there is no other load on that breaker.
     
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    a major consideration for any ben 3 with 130k is the egr circuit. nt knowing how many miles of ev/hv means planning on checking/cleaning everything before the head gasket blow, and adding an oil catch can if possible.

    you can take it to any toyota dealer for a thorough exam before buying, but there's never a guarantee that they will make a good job of it, unless you know their reputation in the service dept., and most florida dealers are poly a bit light on hybrid knowledge, never mind plug ins.
     
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