questions re: 2019 "L Eco" vs. "LE"

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  1. Mambo Dave

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    Hello all.

    I may be trading in a 1/2 ton truck for a Prius soon. Unfortunately the salesman I met and worked with knew less than I did, and I knew next to nothing. My guess was that he was more focused on the sportier cars from Toyota, and did not focus on the Hybrids at all.

    Nonetheless, the questions I have are between the 2019 L Eco vs. the LE.

    It seems that, between perhaps false or true information I have gathered elsewhere, the Toyota website and large PDF brochure don't tell everything.

    Questions:
    1. Does the L Eco have a smaller hybrid battery than the LE model? (This was suggested, and the cargo room is more in the L Eco than other models, but I have not come across Toyota specs that say it is or isn't)
    2. Can the L Eco fit a regular donut spare tire instead of the inflation kit?
    3. Are there any downsides to the acceleration or any other every-day uses with the L Eco? I really don't want all the extra sensors in the bumpers and such. No trim level gives me anything close to what I have in my base-level 2015 truck, which is ridiculous, so I'm not big on paying more for plastic 'upgrades.'

    Thank you!
     
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    1. No. All FWD 2020 Prii are 0.7kWh Li-Ion batteries. The extra cargo space depends on whether the car has a spare tire or tire inflation kit. The battery type isn’t an indicator.
    2. Technically? Yes. But you’ll need that foam cut out that holds the spare instead of the tire inflator kit. One member here has swapped out the tire inflation kit for a spare tire.
    3. No. Acceleration is the same across models. (Maybe a touch slower on the Limited because of the 17” wheels).
     
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  3. Mambo Dave

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    Thank you! I may be looking at new 2019 models at the current time. I didn't know if 2020 models were being sold yet.

    There is still a MPG increase in the L Eco vs the LE. That's what got me worried - the one source stated that the L Eco has a lighter battery to make it more efficient.

    My goal would be a junkyard for the foam and tire kit eventually.
     
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    Well that’s because for 2016-2019, the Two Eco (L Eco) had a Li-Ion battery and the Two (LE) had a NiMH battery that was heavier.

    But for 2020, all FWD are Li-Ion and AWD-e are NiMH.

    The Two Eco or L Eco also loses a rear wiper for slight gain in aerodynamics and runs a higher tire pressure in Dunlop Ecosaver tires. (Something like 38/37 instead of 36/35. Can’t remember the exact psi values but is around those figures)
     
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    This seems important to know.

    I need to research the Li-Ion battery to see if it's something I want or can live with. i.e. does it have the same amount of power in it?

    One video I watched stated that the 2019 AWD's were getting the NiMH since they'd be more likely to be in colder weather where the NiMH does better than the Li-Ion. That, alone, isn't a problem since I live in one of the warmest states in the nation.

    I just don't want a weaker battery, or one that doesn't last as long. I need to research more into the amp-hours of the 2019 Li-Ion I guess - if I can even find that info. I'm shopping what is on lots now, and that seems to be 2019's. Maybe I'm wrong about that? I didn't think to ask.

    Thank you, again, Tideland!
     
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    Just found this: lithium-ion-vs-nickel-metal-hydride-toyota-still-likes-both-for-its-hybrids (can't put the hyper link, too new to the forum)

    I think I'd be OK with either battery pack. Lighter is better, sure, but NiMH seems to last a long enough time.
     
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    Well I figured Toyota is a conservative company so while they don’t get the news headlines, when they do come out with something, it’s typically well thought out and reliable.

    Both will have the same power output. The reduced weight of the Li-Ion was meant to offset the extra equipment on the higher end models (2016-2019). A LE with a Li-Ion battery is new and should perform slightly better than the Two of 2016-2019 because it technically should weigh a bit less.

    The L Eco is the way to go if you want the ultimate mileage and bare basics.

    If I may throw a wrench into your car buyer purchase, have you considered the Camry Hybrid LE? It’s a bigger, more comfortable car (especially if you do lots of highway driving) and the LE version has similar mileage to the regular Prius (50mpg vs. 52mpg for the Prius LE and 56mog for the L Eco). A member here is getting over 70mpg in his Camry Hybrid LE.
     
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    They're close to identical in specification - other than mass.
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    The performance and economy seem more-or-less the same, with some differences in characteristics.

    NiMH has been tried and proven over a long period of time - TOYOTA (in Australia at least) puts a 10 year unlimited kilometer warranty on both of them here for private use so must be very confident about them. Li-ION has been in PRIUS v for 7 years now - and looks like it's just as reliable as a NiMH.

    That said - the savings in petrol for any Hybrid (about ½ in my case), as well as savings in brake repairs and transmissions which last more-or-less forever - mean that if a battery does need replacing after warranty, it's going to be chicken-feed compared with the savings. The batteries aren't particularly expensive - compared with the cost of petrol.
     
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    The Eco is lighter, it has no spare tire and no rear window washer/wiper. If you add those back in, it will get the same MPG as Prius with those installed.
     
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    Hey, no wrench problems here. :) Thank you for the suggestion.

    I sat in the new Camry - the one in the showroom - today, and it was an absolutely miserable experience to get in and out of. As was the Corolla. As was the CH-R.

    Now, maybe for whatever reason the seats were up as high as they could possibly go - and I didn't test for that - be the ingress and egress of these low-doorway, curved-down roof-line models aren't made for people who get in and out of their cars all day. Maybe one trip a day - like to work and back - would be OK, but anything beyond that? Ain't no way, lol. I'm a moderate-height guy, but I have been out on the road visiting clients long enough to finally realize what a guy told me about modern roof designs on cars these days.

    So in and out, in and out I went, car to car. For whatever reason, the Prius made me tilt me head the least (of any 'car') - and not curve my back at all - to pivot up and out, or get down and in, from the driver's seat. The 2019 RAV4 I got in and out of the other day was similarly OK (need to do more testing with it, but I am assuming it wouldn't be a problem).

    It's all just what I call bad designing - perhaps most don't notice it when not using a vehicle in their profession, but it's certainly noticeable coming from the absolute comfort of a 1/2 ton truck. My truck might as well be a modern Rolls Royce compared to what I encountered, but the goal - now - is fuel savings over some of the comfort. From a current ~ 17 MPG to whatever the Prius can get me, as long as I can live with it on the highway bumps, plus the ingress & egress cycles, should end up paying for the car.
     
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    The reality is:
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    Firstly - you probably would barely notice the difference between the 2 different ones - the biggest impediment to getting good MPG is the way we drive and the environment.

    But - work out the cost of driving 10,000 miles in a year at 53MPG and 50MPG - and it'll not be a real lot (6% less).

    Nothing like as much as if you were getting 23MPG vs 20MPG (15% less).
     
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    Fair enough! You’ve definitely down your homework!

    There’s not much more I can add :)
     
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    toyota is heavily invested in nimh, and it is highly profitable for them. lithium is the future, or something new
     
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