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Rabbi Sues, Christmas Trees Removed from Airport.

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Mystery Squid, Dec 11, 2006.

  1. Alnilam

    Alnilam The One in the Middle

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Dec 12 2006, 10:53 AM) [snapback]361009[/snapback]</div>
    Your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance.

    You constantly pose what you think are ponderous questions that are entirely juvenile. Give Hitler credit for all the deaths in WWII? Didn't the Japanese and Italians (my people) have some small hand in that? I really don't care about the numeric breakdown of deaths by country. How many Americans were killed in Iwo Jima? Or Japanese, for that matter? Answer your own questions if you know the answer and think it so important. A dead Jew equals a dead African in the long run. Yes, Stalin murdered children. If you don't know this than you are more ignorant than I thought possible.

    Why is it so important to you to make Hitler the greatest killer of all time? Because he struck so close to home? Cambodians don't care a whit about Hitler. Pol Pot gets their vote. Can you guess why? Didn't you study anything beyond medicine? Hitler was pure evil. Good enough? I'm guessing your answer is "no."

    Sorry for the delay in answering. I was off "professing" all day.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Dec 12 2006, 12:01 PM) [snapback]361058[/snapback]</div>
    But if he combs his hair just right you won't see the point.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Dec 13 2006, 03:48 AM) [snapback]361393[/snapback]</div>
    You are obviously missing my point or intentionally playing dumb. Either way your conclusions, or lack there of are self-serving.
     
  3. eagle33199

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    Come on people! We had a good dozen posts talking about how this kind of discussion wasn't relevant and was going to far, and we got the thread onto something pleasant... then you come and rear your ugly little heads again... give it a rest.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(eagle33199 @ Dec 13 2006, 09:30 AM) [snapback]361428[/snapback]</div>
    Depends who you are referring to. There are those who see hate and will call it such and there are those who do not and enable it.
     
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    Alnilam and Berman...take it off line if you can't be civil and stay to the topic.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Dec 13 2006, 10:08 AM) [snapback]361450[/snapback]</div>
    My good doctor, as you have noted by reviewing this entire thread, there is a streak of hate and anti-Semitism present - and mind you present in other threads too - some of which are current. If those in charge of the BB refuse to act at its presence, I will at the least defend my religion and for that matter any other religion that is attacked.

    I am not accusing Alnilam of anti-Semitism - your review of this thread will with clarity identify those sponsoring that belief.

    If it were happening off-line it would be a non-issue.

    David
     
  7. Mystery Squid

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    I could not have said it better myself!!!

    DOBBS FOR PRESIDENT!!

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/12/Dobbs.Dec13/index.html

     
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    He's a freaking moron, ignoring many of the facts of the case as we've discussed here.

    1. The Rabbi petitioned for ONE menorah to be placed in the airport.
    2. The Rabbi did threaten to sue, but he didn't want the trees taken down, and when they were told the airport he would not sue so they could put them back up.
    3. As we've discussed on here, the tree may have come from pagan origins, but the true origin of it in the Christian faith is unknown.
    4. He attacks the holiday shopping season and black Friday from a religious point of view? Oh come on... people shop and spend money now because you tend to get the best deals now.
    5. and finally, he says the rabbi backed off and the trees are back without a menorah in site, but doesn't mention that there will be one next year, and that the rabbi is going to be part of a multicultural group to determine appropriate, cross-cultural holiday decorations.

    He's a spin doctor, pure and simple - not someone to look up to. He put his own spin on it, and all i got from the article was a message of hate - hate corporations, hate those that celebrate differently than you, hate the government and the laws.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alnilam @ Dec 13 2006, 12:48 AM) [snapback]361393[/snapback]</div>
    There have been many evil mass murderers in the annals of history. However, I cannot think of anyone else who committed genocide with the systematic assembly line industrial efficiency that the Nazis did in their death factories during the Second World War.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Dec 13 2006, 11:22 AM) [snapback]361517[/snapback]</div>
    My point exactly. Hitler industrialized it. Built an industrial complex around it. Researched better ways to murder humans and use their by-products.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Dec 13 2006, 01:22 PM) [snapback]361517[/snapback]</div>
    I'm not exactly sure I see how the gas chambers were "worse" than say, lined firing squads. In the lined firing squad, the victim knows what's coming, likewise with the gas chambers, except for those cases where they were disguised as "showers" in which case, you wouldn't know for certain until it was too late. In that case, I hate to say it, the gas chamber would seem more humane (and I said SEEM), of course, this would depend upon how long it took and how the gas killed you... Regardless, on the one hand, you have bullets decimating your body, and you know it's coming, and on the other, the gas... I mean, are a bunch of death factories worse than thousands of "camps" killing millions more over time?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ Dec 13 2006, 10:34 AM) [snapback]361527[/snapback]</div>
    No one said a word about the gas chambers being "worse" (your quotes of unknown origin).
    What they said was worse was the genocide and systematic nature and general effort to conduct said systematic genocide in a more efficient way. I don't think anyone said a word about how one tool of genocide was worse than another means of killing, but that the nature of the reasons for the killings was what makes the holocaust so deeply evil.
     
  13. Mystery Squid

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Dec 13 2006, 01:41 PM) [snapback]361532[/snapback]</div>
    :rolleyes:

    That's precisely the point, the gas chambers are effectively a representation of this systematic and efficient way of killing, which I'm arguing, is little, or no different, than lining people up in a firing squad fashion. On top of that, what makes "genocide" worse than killing any who might oppose you, or for that matter, having people killed for no reason other than to "bulk up" a killing list, which is something Stalin was notorious for. He would actually pencil in numbers on a killing list, often, in the thousands, of additional people to kill, simply to bulk up the list. What's the more "evil" train of thought: "We need to wipe out X race, along with anyone else we see fit, and we're going to do it with "high capacity" gas chambers.", OR, "I essentially don't care how you do it, just make sure you kill this many more for the heck of it". more or less... at least Hitler had a reason, no matter how warped or irrational it was, with Stalin, it was far more arbitrary...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Dec 13 2006, 08:22 AM) [snapback]361517[/snapback]</div>
    I agree. But that wasn't the question. All I said was that Stalin killed more people than Hitler, aligning myself with my good buddy Squid, whom I usually side with at every opportunity. (That's a joke, if I need mention it.) Remember, Alnilam is the one in the middle. I am neither Jewish nor Russian and have no dog in this hunt other than truth. I couldn't be less concerned about Christmas trees or menorahs. All I cared about at the airport was whether my plane was set for me to fly. I once had 76 Orthodox rabbis on board to New York and when one of them asked me what I thought about that, I said I'd never felt safer. God wouldn't DARE allow harm to that flight.

    I ran this by my significant other, a Jewish lass from the Bronx, and received her imprimatur. Others can agree or not but I did supply some data for my case and was met by a wall of antagonism, mocking me without a thread of counter-argument. And then again when I didn't answer in his time frame. This tends to tick me off when I was merely trying to add some facts to the stew. Hitler was efficient but Stalin was no disorganized rube himself. His millions of dead didn't happen because the NKVD were bunglers.

    Dead Russians are as appalling to me as dead Jews. The philosophy that got these poor devils dead can be debated for degree of evil and Hitler would probably sweep all categories. But, as Squid so eloquently put it, gas chambers and firing squads are the same machine producing the same product. The Russian's terror in those final moments was as profound as the Jew's. There are no winners here, only, if they were very lucky, descendants still full of grief. One family mourns Uncle Mordecai, while the other still bemoans Aunt Olga. Both cry the same tears, as do I.

    I'm sorry I offended. We goyim should keep our mouths shut in such arguments as this. Facts never trump emotions.