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    Not surprising though, you need to give most people a strong incentive to switch.
    Plus, outside cali, not much is available.

    Barring a major paradigm shift, it’s going to be a long slow slog, which really isn’t a bad thing
     
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    I have recently wondered how much work has gone into harmonizing retail prices for electricity and gasoline at least within specific service areas or zip codes. Despite a considerable variation in the energy prices, the two track together remarkably well for many populated areas.

    It got me curious if this has been a constant property in energy pricing or if it is the result of other work by those who profit from energy finance work.

    Regarding the actual adoption rate? It's like anything else. Once it is 10% cheaper than whatever it is trying to displace, adoption will hockey-stick upwards.
     
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    Well, around where I live, gas price is staying low at around $2.30 and according to AAA this trend is not expecting to change anytime soon. I just received a letter from our utility company that they are requesting a price hike of 18% for the distribution fee. You have to have your own solar panel to make EV economical around here.
     
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    Since buying my pip, I have seen gas prices fluctuate, but electricity only goes in one direction.

    I do think oil prices are controlled to the extent possible to keep a reasonable demand, but they are worldwide and geopolitical.

    Bevs are in their infancy, and not yet competitive. it’s not like going from a horse to a car
     
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    I can't read the article, but I can answer the question: Electric vehicles are being adopted slowly because they are in many situations inferior to what people have already.
     
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    Get more celebs like the Kardashians to endorse the sexiness of EV's. (y)

    "4 out of 5 rappers recommend EV transportation when purchasing an automobile."
     
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    Or they cost more up front and pay more taxes on the back
     
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    Well, it is the year we buy an electric car ($35k Model 3), but agree this year will likely grow more sluggishly than last year for total plug-in sales.
     
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    Answer - The unrestricted freedom that matches what ICE and Hybrid provides.
     
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    anyone can answer the question, it's whether they answer it right or wrong. that statement about plugins would follow the same lack of logic & irrational understanding of reality if someone also said hybrids adopted slowly because they are inferior to what people already have. You see - hybrids adopted much much slower than plugins .... & in fact, hybrids are actually losing ground to the even more popular plugin adoption. Why do you think there were 400,000 reservations for the model 3? Those are the kinds of numbers that you normally don't even get in the US with the Toyota Corola each year. So does that mean that in many situations the Corolla is inferior? Of course not. It's not right to throw the inferior word around because it doesn't have anything to do with customers' choices.
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    but many people consider them inferior in many respects, as ken says.

    cost, size, range, etc. and hybrids too, that's why we never got over 3%

    most gasser drivers are perfectly happy with what they have, and see no reasons to change.

    perception is reality

    know your audience (okay, i just had to throw that in there:oops:)
     
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    Not no your audience? :p
     
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    That is mostly perception and misjudgement between needs and wants. It is the thinking that convinced the public they needed 4WD and ground clearance when they never leave pavement.

    Not saying BEVs will work for everybody, but having one car be a BEV could work for over half the households in the US.
     
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    Joe Rogan - The Blowback From Owning a Tesla: Video
    The Simple Reason Toyota Doesn't Sell Any Full-Electric Vehicles

    plug-ins accounted for over 2% of US car sales last year, and it would have been more if there were not supply issues at tesla, and anti selling at some big makers. World wide 1.9% which is phenomenal growth considering big auto really is not trying to sell plug-ins.

    In 6 years (2025) I would be surprised if US sales were not above 10% for plug-ins (phevs and bevs). It takes time. There is infrastructure, and big auto needs to start losing more market share before they really want to compete. To me the plus (240 mile range with autopilot) for $41K on the model 3 will start eating into camry and accord sales. Its going to take longer for hyundai/kia, vw, ford, and tesla to get high selling SUVs and pick up trucks out at good prices.
     
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    Although plug in sales may represent over 10% of car sales nationwide...
    With EVs not even representing 1% of cars on the road in 45 of the 50 states with 16 states selling statistically zero EVs (under 100 a year)
    We need to step back and understand EV adoption is binary and regional. why EVs simply don’t sell in places like Rhode Island and to the north or in Ohio,
    along with much of the middle of the country is sometimes a mystery.
    Other areas that never had tax incentives are having sustained decay, Wisconsin has had 2 going on 3 years in a row of large EV sale declines.
    Many northern and rural EVs rarely drive over 5000 miles a year and have very different use patterns than their coastal counterparts.

    Unless the “dialog” and roadblocks in those 45 states changes I don’t think we will see EV sales hit 10% in most of the country .

    The below list provides more current annual new/used PHEV/EV sales data, it is very telling and opposes a narritive written by many state legislatures

    EV Market Share by State – EVAdoption
     
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    i'm not sure if you're agreeing, disagreeing or just wanted to juxtapose our comments :cool:
     
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    in short Joe Rogan is saying people don't buy electric because they are ignorant. That's the same reason people didn't buy hybrids. But gas shortages made people think outside their box o' ignorance. So if & when the giant tsunami of electric cars happens, it may very well be when gas gets hiked up again above 4 or 5 bucks a gallon. That might not be too much longer.
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    I agree, but if there are cheaper and more selections of conventional cars, why would those over half the households change their habits?
     
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    Rohan sounds like a reformed smoker.
    He does not represent the average American driver
     
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