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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by Montgomery, Oct 8, 2019.

  1. gliderman

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    All power control is determined by the Prius engine control modules. The red bullet may be effective in a vehicle that is less dependent on the power control computers than a Prius, but I doubt that it would have any real noticeable effect on the actual long term performance of the Prius. The initial throttle response may be mechanically changed by retarding or advancing the valve timing, but I doubt that it is any more or better than if you used the power mode.

    YMMV! LOL

    Carry on!
     
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    Next time your wife asks you why you didn't do something you were supposed to do, go ahead, tell her you didn't have enough data and the plural of anecdotes for why you're supposed to get something done isn't real data and see how that goes over.
     
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    And what exactly has your comment to do with the discussion?
    Do you consider anecdotal information to be reliable data?
     
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    I already pointed out at the start of this thread that my buddy improved his 1/4 mile time at the drag strip by one second with one of these... But that was at the start of the thread where smart people tend to hang out... Now we're at the bottom part of the thread where clueless trolls like to deny reality in cleaver trollish ways. So I'm trying to blend in... Because a certified 1/4 mile time both with and without this device is clearly just anectdotal and not hard data... Gotta love how dumb trolls are, don't 'ya?
     
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    Is that 1 second decrease reproducible across different cars or was it only one car which was tested?
    Did he try it without and with and then without again?
    How many runs did he do with and without to get to a good average?
     
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    Lol... Do you get a prize if you prove everyone wrong? Why is this so important to you? You ignored me the first time I posted it... But now it's so important to you because I mentioned it in the context of you being a troll? Listen, my friend has several varieties of these that he's tried. If someone on here (not you) wants to study this more thoroughly, I'd happy to put them in touch with my friend who's doing the research. As for you, I have no idea what you're doing, nor do I want to hear or know any more about it.
     
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    The only thing is that there are so many things for sale that magically improve power, mileage or both and just about all of them don't do anything except empty your wallet. That is the reason that I am very skeptical about products which claim all sorts of things but there is no solid evidence for it.

    I am not trying to prove everyone wrong I am simply questioning the validity of claims that are made. Critical thinking and skepticism are a good thing.
     
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    There are ways it can be documented. Techstream can be recorded showing MAF, fuel usage, mph, engine rpm, intake air temp, etc. That would be an easy one for highway use/mpg changes. Obviously, one would need to run the same route several times with a NEW OEM vvt solenoid and the new red bullet vvt solenoid. There's plenty of apps on phones available for doing acceleration tests. It would be super easy to document 100's of tests if desired. Just have to find someone with the time and the desire.

    Too many times (think of SplitFire spark plugs) companies exaggerate their products results by replacing worn out oem components with their new item.
     
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    Also sound too... Cold air intakes, a tuned muffler, it creates much cooler sonic experience and "improves" the experience of driving a fast car... As in it's all about having fun, more than anything else. So the very minor improvements, if any, is secondary to the overall experience.

    And there's not alot of Prius that have been modified for weekends at the race track, but last Spring in my town I got behind an extremely modified 2010 and one of the stickers on the car was the person's instagram name. So I messaged him on Instagram and he was brand new to town and we've been having great nerdy conversations about our hybrid car projects ever since.

    When he bought the device we're talking about in this thread, as well as many other devices, he's well aware that the odds are against it making a difference. But sometimes they do, even if it's slight and could be measured, that's not the fun part...

    The hardest part about modifying a Prius to make it faster is the warning lights lock down almost any kind of major change to boost power. That's why if you want to build a Hybrid for the race track you're better off with a Gen 1 Honda Insight, which is all aluminum and plastic, only weighs 1800 pounds and the warning lights won't stop you from making huge modifications to the engine and electric motor... We're actually currently researching using a 2017 plugin Prius battery pack in a Gen1 modified rebuilt from the ground up for the race track.
     
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    Understood and respected. By any chance, did you read the complete breakdown that was originally posted about the Red Bullet? It seemed to cover a lot of what it does and doesn't do. The thread of data went on for several pages.

    Also, as of today, I filled up, and my mpg is now 48, whereas driving under the same route and style was 45. Yeah, I know, not scientific, but it is real for me and my car.
     
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    Looks like the Red Bullet is a Dead Bullet for most in here. I will drop from the discussion and live with my results.
     
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    I bought one. I can say I was always a PWR mode kind of driver. Eco forgot about it , normal was bearable but a bit sluggish for me. With red bullet PWR mode exactly like Montgomery said, it zooms. Now I can drive in normal mode with ease. I seen a 2 mpg increase. Most likely from being in normal mode vs pwr. Anyone in the Bay want to test it out, let me know. Its a quick swap.
     
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    I also purchased one a few months ago. Seems like i can constantly get 49 to 50 mpg vs 47-48mpg. though i have FRS 17s on so cant speak for the 15a stock guys. but i replaced mine at 165k so it could have been worn out.

    Pixel 3a XL ?
     
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    Ah, I hate that you should feel a need to self-censor.

    It’s easy to pick on this gadget because the distributor seems completely uninterested in performance testing. Now, I understand that too- I run a small business and I have to be careful about what claims I make relative to the goods and services in which I trade.

    Sometimes doubt is stronger than certainty, but that doesn’t mean it has to be unprofitable or slow.
     
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    Not only do you have a new profile pic (very nice) but you're also mentioning non-related goods and services from your small business. Do tell? What does a profile pic like that do business in every day?
     
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    2 years from now with all of us who have purchased the red bullet,most likely by then, we will have some type of scientific proven results. Perhaps too early to tell now. My main point is that I am not delusional or demented. Just because my results haven't been done in a scientific environment, doesn't mean it isn't happening on my car. If I saw or felt no difference, believe me, you all would know!
    Thank you for the support!
     
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    I was using exclusively Mobil 1 5w-30 in my 2007. I was consistently getting 44-48 mpg. I bought a few jugs of NAPA full synthetic 5W-30 and their platinum filters earlier this year when they had a sale. Pretty sure I have that purchase mentioned in a post a while back. I haven't had a tank <51 mpg since, with one as high as 56.4 mpg.

    Serious as a heart attack about it.

    Is it the oil? or driving style? or weather?

    Just sharing a couple good deals that are out there (NAPA) | PriusChat
     
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