1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Refuel while driving?

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by Priusmpg, Jan 9, 2014.

  1. Priusmpg

    Priusmpg Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    628
    108
    0
    Location:
    Fremont, California
    Vehicle:
    2014 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    I don't really see the need for it but was wondering if it's possible. I know some airplanes can refuel while in the air. It'd just be cool. What kind of risks are there just refueling with the engine on?
    What risks are present in refueling from a approved gasoline container in to the tank from another car? (beside the obvious Road distraction)
     
  2. Garen

    Garen Junior Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2013
    41
    3
    0
    Location:
    Sherman Oaks
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    CRASH and BURN:cry:
     
  3. Priusmpg

    Priusmpg Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    628
    108
    0
    Location:
    Fremont, California
    Vehicle:
    2014 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Would care to expand on that?
    If planes can do it in the air, why can't car on the road
     
  4. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    12,470
    6,862
    2
    Location:
    Greenwood MS USA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three
    1) It is illegal in most places to refuel with the engine on.

    2) One way cars burst into flame while refueling is static electricity
    Auto safety 101: dangers of pumping gas - Hartford Special Interests | Examiner.com


    3) Sadly, auto filler tubes were never designed for indrive refueling, retrofitting will add weight.


    4) Side by side refueling will block a lot of traffic, front to back refueling will get the cars too close together to be safe. Planes use above and below fueling, that is not the way we drive cars.

    5) I can't visualize how Self Service is going to work. I am sketchy how you will pay, so far as I know inflight refueling is always the same organization, no payment.
     
  5. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    21,809
    11,368
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    The crews doing in-flight refueling likely received more training than the typical driver on the road also.
     
    Chuck. likes this.
  6. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,198
    15,435
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus
    Possible does not mean practical. Now if you are interested in reducing the number of refuelings, I would go with a securely mounted, crash worthy tank (see race car bladders) and plumbing with a pump that discharges into the gas tank filler tube. I could easily see doubling the fuel capacity. If you're clever and can sacrifice more volume, perhaps removing the rear seats, triple.

    So are you thinking about this?
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    Perhaps you want to enter some of the ever popular and well paying, marathon driving contests?

    Bob Wilson
     
  7. wjtracy

    wjtracy Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    11,315
    3,588
    1
    Location:
    Northern VA (NoVA)
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I don't think there is an engineering reason it cannot done, other than it is not needed and not practical. Keep in mind gasoline is much more flammable than jet fuel, containing butane for example. So jet fuel is much easier to handle safely.
     
  8. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    21,809
    11,368
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    So, it should be fine to do with diesel cars then.:D
     
  9. The Electric Me

    The Electric Me Go Speed Go!

    Joined:
    May 22, 2009
    9,083
    5,798
    0
    Location:
    Undisclosed Location
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Well, there are obvious military and strategic reasons why airplanes are sometimes refueled in the air.

    But even then, from an ease and safety standpoint I think most people would agree refueling while on the ground and stationary is preferable and safer.

    Since automobiles are ground based machines (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang Excluded) why would anyone want to refuel while moving?

    Sure you could probably "make" it possible, but it would always be dangerous, and always be unnecessary.
     
  10. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    7,696
    6,502
    0
    Location:
    Redneck Riviera (Gulf South)
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Most people, especially in the US, have trouble enough DRIVING while they're driving.
    Now you want to add loading fuel to the list of taskers?? :eek:

    Naah.
    I'll pass, thank you very much.

    Possible: Yes.
    Practical: Not now, probably not ever.
    Reason: ???? You tell me. What do you gain?

    In the military, they use underway replenishment and in flight re-fueling tactically as either a force multiplier, or to increase range or endurance. Strategically it's used on grey hulls much in the same way allowing us to project power for longer periods of time.There is no cost benefit, and anybody who has ever done a HIFR or an UNREP will tell you quickly that getting fuel on the beach is usually better and ALWAYS safer.

    YMMV! :D
     
  11. hkmb

    hkmb Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2010
    279
    1,855
    0
    Location:
    Sydney, Australia
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I knew I'd seen this on TV at some point, so I had a bit of a search.

    It was on the British programme Fifth Gear a few years ago. They refuelled a Nissan GTR at 85mph. Before they started refuelling, they ran a wire from the refuelling truck to the car to earth it and prevent static buildup.

    Here's the video.



    It's good. But I don't think it'll catch on as common practice.
     
    Priusmpg and wjtracy like this.
  12. wjtracy

    wjtracy Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    11,315
    3,588
    1
    Location:
    Northern VA (NoVA)
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    ...now we can tell the EV crowd an ICE never has to stop at a gaso station...top that!
     
  13. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    21,809
    11,368
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Wireless induction chargers in the road.
     
    hyo silver likes this.
  14. wjtracy

    wjtracy Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    11,315
    3,588
    1
    Location:
    Northern VA (NoVA)
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Do you think a Model S could top the record? what was it 142 miles in an hour?
     
  15. Priusmpg

    Priusmpg Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    628
    108
    0
    Location:
    Fremont, California
    Vehicle:
    2014 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    this is exactly what i was talking about thanks


    I think we have a new slogan
     
  16. calirider

    calirider ECOmobile

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    105
    33
    0
    Location:
    California Central Valley
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    No way, it would run out of power fast anywhere near 100 mph let alone 143+ mph.
     
  17. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    21,809
    11,368
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Where in the US is 142 or 100mph a speed limit?;)

    I think wireless charging is a gimmick, but it can refuel a car in motion far more safely than using a second vehicle to refuel a gasoline, diesel, CNG, or hydrogen one. It actually has a chance of happening sometime in the future beyond a stunt.
     
  18. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    7,696
    6,502
    0
    Location:
    Redneck Riviera (Gulf South)
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Those speeds are limited in all of the states....at least on public roads... :eek:
     
  19. Chuck.

    Chuck. Former Honda Enzyte Driver

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    2,766
    1,510
    0
    Location:
    Lewisville, TX (Dallas area)
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    II
    What are the advantages of doing a long road trip and refueling without stopping?

    Most of you could drive hours and hours without snacks, drinks, and not the least go without peeing? ;)
     
    Tony D and Priusmpg like this.