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Rubber material holds key to long-lasting, safer EV batteries

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    "Georgia Tech engineers have solved common problems (slow lithium-ion transport and poor mechanical properties) using the rubber electrolytes. The key breakthrough was allowing the material to form a three-dimensional (3D) interconnected plastic crystal phase within the robust rubber matrix. This unique structure has resulted in high ionic conductivity, superior mechanical properties and electrochemical stability.

    This rubber electrolyte can be made using a simple polymerization process at low temperature conditions, generating robust and smooth interfaces on the surface of electrodes. These unique characteristics of the rubber electrolytes prevent lithium dendrite growth and allow for faster moving ions, enabling reliable operation of solid-state batteries even at room temperature.

    "Rubber has been used everywhere because of its high mechanical properties, and it will allow us to make cheap, more reliable and safer batteries," said Lee.
    " Rubber material holds key to long-lasting, safer EV batteries -- ScienceDaily
     
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    This reminds me of the Silcon Lead Acid batteries in my miles zx40 NEV.

    They last forever despite being a form of AGM like lead acid
     
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  3. So, could some of the rubber from old tires be recycled to go into these batteries?
     
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    Not a bad idea.

    But rubber being a natural material will degrade overtime. I suppose it’s not exposed to air and heat but maybe they’re banking it’ll outlast the battery?
     
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    I suspect the rubber from tires won't be suitable.

    The research was with synthetic rubber, which tires can be made from, though the use of natural or synthetic there depends on market prices. So the rubber type can vary. Then there the additives to tires, like salts for winter ones, that likely would need to be removed. Plus vulcanization is a hurdle to recycling. it keeps rubber from simply melting. Good for tires, but bad for recycling.

    https://cen.acs.org/articles/93/i16/Elusive-Dream-Tire-Recycling.html
     
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    Yeah... Not to mention the proprietary nature of ingredients in tires, which is a nightmare for us enviros when it comes to managing hazardous waste, especially 6PPD.

    But these batteries are next level rubber, we're talking nano-wire rubber matrix level stuff here. You need a highly refined rubber that's barely even been invented yet and you have to print it into tiny tunnels inside each cell while filling it with Lithium at same time.
     
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    I've long thought that asbestos would be a better separator material. The heat resistance would avoid the 'melt' that often leads to a cell separator short. Better still, the fear of asbestos would lead to increased battery recycling. However, ceramic fiber separators would work too.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    With asbestos, I would think it would lead to old batteries being sealed up and tossed into a landfill.
     
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    The point of this advancement is that it allows batteries to operate at a lower temperature thus asbestos is not needed because the heat is no longer hot enough to require it. And low heat operation solves all kinds of other problems/design challenges too.