SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. bisco

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    effective therapy would be better than partial immunization
     
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    Disagree with #3441. First it presumes an "either/or" choice. Second, therapy in hospital settings requires staff time and incurs costs, while vaccinations appear to be 'outpatient' procedures (unsure how long one is under observation post-injection to detect prompt adverse reactions).
    I do not think adequate data exists to rank these as alternatives, and in fact they are not. All tools in the box are being used, and new tools seem to arrive about weekly.
     
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    you're defing my terms for your argument, i'm afraid it doesn't work that way my friend :)
     
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    massachusetts announces next phase of vaccinations wednesday february 17th:

    'beginning at midnight, thursday february 18th, those over 65, and those with certain comorbidities will be eligible to sign up for first vax shot.'

    thursday february 18th: 'massachusetts vaccination appointment website crashes.'
     
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    'pfizer says vaccine can be stored at normal freezer temps, applies to fda for approval'
     
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    The same for Connecticut, but started a week earlier.

    JeffD
     
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    No such crash problem in WA, where we have over 300! vaccination appointment websites, essentially one for every location.

    Not that any of them have any open slots available. :-(

    The official state website merely points to all the provider websites, and shows an availability status if the later choose to provide such, which most do not. So one could spend hours going through each nearby and not-so-nearby location and come up empty handed. Lather rinse and repeat.

    Now there is a separate site slapped together by some IT data aggregators, showing the status of most of those providers, and sorted for convenience. Right now, one remote location has slots, some locations are marked as 'possible', many are 'waitlisted', and a large majority are 'unavailable'.
     
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    i'm just amazed at how quicly shots have ramped up. they expect the over 65 group and others to be done by the end of march.
    i'm seeing some light at the end of the tunnel...
     
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    Just as much of the country got cold enough where you could store the vax outside.
    :)

    Mike
     
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    the atlantic: one month ago, the cdc published the results of more than 20 pandemic forecasting models.
    most predicted that cases would continue to grow in february, or at best, plateau.

    instead, covid-19 is in retreat. new daily cases have plunged, and hospitalizations are down 50%
     
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    Now, how much of that decline is real, vs how much is a result to weather-related closures of testing sites? It may be too early to know.

    Though is seems that those reduced hospitalization measures should be a bit more solid indicator right now.
     
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    The slowing of new positive tests is real, national, and started before 2021 polar vortex storms.

    Case fatality rate bottomed out 2 or 3 weeks ago, and now appears to be increasing slowly. Weekly US fatalities are bow below 20 thousand and it would be great if that metric continues downward.

    To me it appears that improved medical treatments are driving down inpatients and ICU and on-ventilator numbers. All those groups are decreasing. But a data gap prevents 'closure' in modeling. It is new hospital admissions, which is not reported by any site I know. As it stands, US numbers dying exceeds hospitalized decreases, and far exceeds ICU and ventilator decreases.

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    COVID-19 Vaccine Market Dashboard | UNICEF Supply Division

    Shows which vaccines are being deployed in which country and how they are priced.
     
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    Although the variants are an issue, I suspect modern medicine will adapt and lead to more selective and effective vaccines and clinical treatments. The ACE-2 'latch' is the weakest point of the virus. Selective for that point and 'game, set, match.'

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Third US vaccine by Johnson&Johnson approved. It offers an adenovirus vector, as do many other 'international' vaccines.

    #4 (probably soon to be approved) is Novavax. it offers a synthesized version of the famous spike protein. An insect virus makes spike in the lab which is purified etc. I've forgotten if other vaccine candidates work that way. Storage for #3 and #4 is at about 0 oC.

    Both #3 and #4 aere Operation Warp Speed vaccines.

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    Some media report that US new case decline is turning back upwards. I do not see that yet. Only Michigan and New Jersey offer hints of this, and both are on the scale of day-to-day variations.
     
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    i saw those too, after looking at downward trend. trusty media is our friend.
     
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    Premature victory dance:
    • Texas - claims no masks required
    • Mississippi - claims no masks required
    • <Southern States> - claim no masks required
    The Johns Hopkins numbers look better but I'm concerned we still have base numbers at the pre-holiday bump. In effect, this is a short fuse that with wide-spread travel and lack of public hygiene could crest COVID-19 cases again in May/June.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    abbott just loves to rain down fire and brimstone on his people. one disaster after another, but they have freedom!
    so they keep voting for their own death and destruction.:)
     
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    dang, i posted politics, sorry
     
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    Covid: Biden promises vaccines for all US adults by end of May - BBC News
     
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    It's the details that concern me ...

    With vaccines available for all US adults by the end of May, when will it be before everyone who's going to have them will have had them?

    And how many are going to have them?

    And how long after that while those folks are developing an immune response?

    And what is the picture with new variants in the meantime, now that we have Texas and Mississippi signing on to be eugenic virus breeding farms?
     
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