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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.
and thank you for your opinion.
thank you for your opinion and timeline.
so far that's 2/3 that anticipate returning to life.
anyone else ? Bueller ? anyone ?
...."the reduction of infection or disease in the unimmunised segment as a result of immunising a proportion of the population"
(Herd immunity and herd effect: new insights and definitions - PubMed)
..."Herd immunity occurs when a large portion of a community (the herd) becomes immune to a disease, making the spread of disease from person to person unlikely. As a result, the whole community becomes protected...."
..."Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, or population immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that can occur with some diseases when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby reducing the likelihood of infection for individuals who lack immunity."
...resistance to the spread of an infectious disease within a population that is based on pre-existing immunity of a high proportion of individuals as a result of previous infection or vaccination.
...'Herd immunity', also known as 'population immunity', is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection.
.....'might' happen by October 2024.....
...happened in October 2020...
because they have complete control over behavior
i don't think my life will ever be the same. now that i have isolated for a year, i realize the health benefits of avoiding large crowds and the asian propensity for mask wearing
Covid or not, the use of masks in public places, keeping social distance, and good hand wash is going to help us from many communicable diseases if we continue this behavior. Hey, this was the very first time I did not catch any bugs that cause the common cold or flu the entire year. Yeah, one thing this pandemic has taught me is that I can downsize a lot and live without doing most of the non-essential trips, long and short, and leisurely activities that were all "normal" activities in the pre-COVID era. I am perfectly fine with continuing COVID-style life, like not commuting to work, not traveling for meetings, and not going out to crowded places.
Does anyone believe that?
While we may take any report coming out of China with a grain of salt, the number is not zero... at least not recently, according to various news outlets reports like this.
China reports biggest daily COVID-19 case jump in over 2 months | Reuters
They're lying liar pants.
They're not to be trusted.
That goes for China too.
Some tardy followup ...
Apparently this 99.8 year old's initial rapid tests were antigen tests. But from your edit, which I didn't notice the first time around, that shouldn't have collided with the vaccination.
The followup PCR test did confirm infection, and it was a California variant. But she remained nearly symptom free, having only that early runny nose and cough, never a fever. Today's test was negative. Good news, her personal quarantine ends tomorrow. Bad news, the facility has yet another new positive, so overall lockdown will continue. At this rate, the hoped-for 100.000 party is becoming less likely to happen in-person.
Good to hear that she is doing OK. I am reading more and more so-called "breakthrough" cases of infection after vaccination. But it is still rare and when it does occur, the infected individuals show less severe symptoms. All the reason to believe even a partial immunity is much better than none.
CDC Studies 'Breakthrough' COVID Cases Among People Already Vaccinated : Shots - Health News : NPR
it is only 90-95% effective. most people miss that part
Yeah, 90-95% efficacy against minor symptomatic infection (for mRNA vacs and around 60-65% for J&J IIRC), but 100% effective against most severe symptoms and death for all three vaccines, at least for the trial results. Still, doctors and scientists are worried about a 1 in million chance of developing a rare case of blood clot disorder by the J&J vaccine and pausing the use for now. I see this as a sign that the system is working very well.
My take (for what its worth) is that the "pause" was an over reaction. All of the identified blood clot cases were women in child bearing age, so there is a reason to "pause" using the J&J vaccine for that population but the J&J vaccine appears to be safe for other groups.
I agree. The use of J&J vaccine was paused due to an overabundance of caution and to give scientists and statisticians time to gather more data and evidence. But we still have two very effective vaccines to fall back to. The CDC must have decided to be better safe than sorry. Still, all this points to the right direction that system is working to mass vaccinate safe and effective vaccines to the population.
in todays politically charged environment, they probably don't want to give anyone potential reason to attack.
that's what fauci said about his public stance on astra zenica.
plus, there are now plenty of the other two, we don't even need j&j from a supply standpoint
True. But J&J's one-shot vaccine that requires no special cold storage gives better logistics, especially for rural communities and for people both on the move or homebound.
True, but the cold storage requirements for the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines aren't really that bad. They need to be in the really cold storage for long term, but you can store them in normal freezers for two weeks just before use.
At this point in the vaccine rollout nobody should be "storing" vaccines for 2 weeks.