SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. fuzzy1

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    Or might it have been related to hormonal birth control, which has a blood clot and stroke risk a couple orders of magnitude worse than the J&J vaxx (which in turn is worse than the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaxxes), yet tens of millions of women still use it?

    Or did anyone bother to even check before trying to cast FUD?
    The study makes no suggestion that the adverse effects of the vaccine outweigh the benefits. "... the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination are clear ...". It is an effort to "better understand the potential risks to minimize potential harm."

    But ... but ... but ... EudraVigilance's disclaimers make crystal clear that it makes no such cause-and-effect determination. It is just raw observed data for others to study.

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    If should be no surprise that, since the vaccines don't protect against any of the other causes of death, then just after a mass vaccination campaign, plenty of people will still be dying from all the other normal causes of death, and most of them will have recently had the vaccine. One must dig carefully through the data to see if any of those causes are elevated after vaccination.

     
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    my mistake:

    s0503-covid-19-travel.html
     
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    In any case, I'd wear a mask if I was travelling by plane. The high quality air filtration doesn't protect you from the guy next to you who's coughing the whole trip.
     
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    Women accept the risk when taking hormonal birth control. But when you read about heart problems & watch numerous young healthy athletes - all sports around the world - drop dead playing sports?

    CDC says there's likely link between rare heart inflammation in young people after Covid shot

    Screenshot_2022-05-10-15-42-46-03_5ebe7ceed023e5c4dba122424f079699.jpg

    Is it comforting the odds are small that it will be you or your kid? Many feel being forced to take something is very different if/when the govm't or colleges or businesses say take it or else - get out. Trust the state
    Harder to trust "the state" after reading what happened in Tuskegee many years ago. Guatemala too.

    Tuskegee Experiment: The Infamous Syphilis Study - HISTORY

    Retiring after 37 years at Disney just in time to not get fired for refusing their "or else" ultimatum - as I've already had a few heart issues. Didn't matter that natural immunity coursed thru my veins either.
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    sorry hill, i understand your point, but that is fake news
     
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    even fake from the CDC ? Then who does one trust for non-fake news. Bill Clinton apologized for the state destroying people's health per the article above. Was he fake? When we we're teenagers - the Mantra was don't trust anyone over 30. Now? if we say we don't trust an entity we get canceled by the same generation that said don't trust anyone over 30. Oh the irony.
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    the cdc is fine. some people have gotten pericarditis and myocarditis. atheletes dying all over the world? which ct site did you pull that from?
     
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    no one denies that vaccines, and most pharma can have harmful side effects.

    but one must evaluate the risk reward of each
     
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    Tru Dat. Even when the 'risk' is losing your social standing &/or employment, much less your health.
     
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    agreed. we have learned much through this pandemic. i'm old, but i don't remember the 1918 flu.

    seems like there were many similarities in government and public response though.

    we can argue all day here, but in the end, it's like abortion and other hot button topics, the courts have the final say.
     
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    Not that the work of the Courts are ever politicized.
     
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    oh no, never. judges are completely inhuman unbiased bots :p

    some are elected (problem) some are appointed (problem)

    but i have yet to see a better system this side of the grave
     
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    How many? Sources please.

    In particular, has this significantly increased from pre-pandemic times?

    Remember that some apparently healthy athletes have been dropping dead on the field since forever, from undetected heart problems such as HCM, long before we had any covid vaccines. Our own favorite cat suddenly died of what the veterinarian said was likely the same thing, particularly common in some breeds of cats. A family friend dropped dead of it while mountain biking, several years ago, before covid.

    I noticed that you chose to not actually link that OAN story behind the headline you illustrated. As for credible sources, I'm going to put very little credence in an extreme rightwing pro-Trump outfit that didn't finally walk back its claim of widespread election fraud until just yesterday, more than 18 months after the election, and even then only as part of a settlement over a defamation lawsuit:
    OAN Walks Back Voter Fraud Claims as Part of Defamation Settlement - WSJ
    OAN acknowledges ‘no widespread voter fraud’ by Georgia election workers | The Hill

    "CDC officials said the benefits of getting the Covid vaccine still outweigh the risks."

    "“Only an exceedingly small number of people will experience it after vaccination,” HHS said. “Importantly, for the young people who do, most cases are mild, and individuals recover often on their own or with minimal treatment. In addition, we know that myocarditis and pericarditis are much more common if you get COVID-19, and the risks to the heart from COVID-19 infection can be more severe.”"

    This article is also quite outdated now, more than 10 months old. More recent updates have already been posted here.

    Squirrel! After 37 years of employment, you are well beyond the age group (under 30) exhibiting this particular heart issue.

    Note also that "immunity", even "natural", is temporary, fading quickly. That is why so many people have already had it more than once. And very possibly related to the fact that people keep getting the same 4 milder coronavirus-family common colds over and over and over again throughout their lives.
     
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    Like 'Chasity is its own punishment' so too 'Anti-Vaxx is its own punishment'.

    Teaching a pig to sing doesn't work and annoys the pig.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Were I ever obliged to choose between OAN sparkles and CDC bumbles, it would not be a difficult choice. Guess which, me hearties. But better guess why.
     
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    You do not HAVE to remember what happened 100 years ago.

    As it turns out, people wrote lots of stuff down back then, and there are several excellent books on the subject. ;)
     
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    Polio and measles were within my 72 years. Smallpox has been removed from known populations.

    Now if we could just treat stupid and sloth with a vaccine.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    If bisco doesn't personally remember, then I suppose

    (in the same post) might even have been derived from some of the stuff people wrote down then.
     
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    If you think the uproar is loud now over the Covid vaccine imagine the protest and resulting riots for having to take a vaccine over your own stupidity and sloth - not to mention the individuals in our national government who would qualify to be first in line and fight tooth and nail against it legislatively.
     
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    Seems like those vaxxed 3/4 times are the ones catching Covid these days.

    Imagine if you gave your dog four rabbies vaccines and he, still, caught it! Would make you wonder if the vaccine is actually doing anything, wouldn't you? We are done with these experimental vaccines and didn't know the government protected the makers of them from being sued by people in case they had adverse reactions or death....pretty convenient, huh? Why would they do that? And why did Pfizer and Moderna refuse to provide the vaccine to countries that didn't prevent users from the ability to sue them for adverse effects? Also, why did they attempt to NOT release their adverse reaction results for 70 years? (Until a Federal Judge said heck no to that crap.) Funny how liberals claim to be against big corporations and big profits but a oddly silent to big pharma ungodly profits ($34 Billion in 2021).
     
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