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SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. Trollbait

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    And people who get the flu vaccine every year can still end up getting the flu. Then a researcher who once worked with Clostridium botulinum developed a tic in retirement decades later, and the botox shot for treatment didn't work because of the vaccine he had all those years ago.

    These infectious agents aren't all the same, so it is silly to expect the vaccines for them to all work the same. You don't need to get measles boosters later in life, but you need annual ones for the flu. We don't even one for rhinoviruses.
     
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    i think it is totally amazing with what they have come up with in so short a time period.

    many/most researchers didn't think it would be possible.

    to see people back to normal behavior and so few hospitalizations is incredible
     
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    Yes, many of us are catching it. Triple-vaxxed, the spouse and I caught it 3 months ago. And yes, some triple- and quadruple-vaxxed people are dying of it. Remember that I warned readers here, two years ago (before any vaccines were available), based on behavior of previous mild coronaviruses, that immunities just might fade surprisingly quickly. That is what has actually happened.

    We also learned that numerous people (especially among seniors) are immuno-compromised, the vaccines don't work as well for them. And this can be seen in certain blood test results without them even catching the disease.

    But look at the rates at which people are dying of it. A quite large majority of people are vaccinated, but a majority of the deaths are still among the unvaccinated. That means the per-capita death risk is substantially higher to the unvaccinated.

    The latest figures are that people who have just the initial vaccine, but are not boosted, are 3 times more likely to die of Covid than are the boosted people. And unvaccinated people are 5 times more likely to die of it than people with just the initial vaccine.

    (I guess you didn't know that some veterinary rabies vaccines are rated for only 1 year, others for 3 years, so your pet could very easily need more than 4 rabies shots per lifetime?)

    Can you imagine if there were any other vaccines that humans needed 4 times? Oh, wait, there are lots of them.

    Take a look at the CDC's recommended immunization schedules against other diseases. Notice how many vaccines (not even counting the flu) have 3 or 4 or even 5 doses during childhood. Five diseases need 3 or 4 doses by age 15 months!

    Then there is influenza. I've been vaccinated for that more than 20 times, and still keep getting it every year.
     
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    Bob Wilson

    ps - 'A lie gets halfway around the world before truth puts on its boots.' Churchill
     
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    If individuals are so concerned about our health and the negative effects of the vaccinations where is their concern for:

    Over eating
    unhealthy diets
    alcohol consumption
    smoking
    illegal drug use
    reckless driving

    all which are much more likely to have a direct impact on their persoal health.

    I just don't get it unless their aim is just to argue.
     
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    I think I'll just check in every few weeks, y'all keep the argument going, ok ?
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Lazy, start specific subject threads for these other health issues. This thread is for those interested in the 'SARS-CoV-2' virus.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Rabies is a famously slow virus. Slow to mutate so that vaccine works well and for a long time without needing revisions. Slow to develop in hosts, so vaccination is effective even after exposure (I don't know for how many days but it's more than a few). If all pathogenic viruses were like that, epidemiology etc. would be a very different thing.

    Untreated rabies is highly lethal to humans, but you can't have everything I guess.
     
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    "I guess you didn't know that some veterinary rabies vaccines are rated for only 1 year, others for 3 years"

    I didn't know that. Or knew and did not remember. This entire vaccination thing is complicated eh?

    - front-end efficacy
    - driven down by viral genetic changes (vaccine evasion)
    - immune system 'relaxation time' after vaccination

    The last in terms of variability among virus/vaccine combos seem the most confusing to me. Together, they seem to make discussions stemming from an unstated assumption that virus=virus=virus almost misleading. Not always intentionally so. I'd not imply that.
     
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    hospitalizations are starting to spike here. i fear a covid summer and return to restrictions.

    humans behaving badly
     
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    that's why it is a sin, and one of the deadliest
     
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    Well, sloth is. Although the same-named mammal makes it look like an elegant plan.
     
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    and gluttony, but sloth is delicious
     
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    I seriously doubt you ever ate sloth. I rode in a taxi with one once :)
     
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    i was going to, but i was too lazy
     
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    Connecticut? Computed tomography? Or some other abbreviation that modesty prevents me from spelling?