seeking advice regarding red triangle on 2006 Prius with 179K

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by SR13, Apr 4, 2016.

  1. Sarge

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    Agreed... However that cost is including labour and taxes. The quotes I got from Toyota for a new pack whe it failed the first time was $3500, and I think that was plus tax (13% around here...). So that still puts me under 50% with two repair jobs. Of course there is a calculated risk involved...

    You are correct, I am just outside Toronto (but spend much of my time sitting in traffic in Toronto, thus why I like this technology so much!).

    Regarding a 1st gen Volt, it's not a bad idea, however the market is not the same here. I did a search on Autotrader (the largest Canadian car selling site) and found TWO Volts available within 250km. Not great. They also were $23K and $26K for a 2013 and 2014, with about 80k on them. Not a great deal, IMO. This also doesn't really solve the issues I have with the 1st gen Volt, which is the 4 seats, cramped rear space and cargo, and Premium gas. Also, not a big GM fan. Some of those were resolved in gen 2, but it's still a GM.

    Despite the 4 seats, I do like the Prime, I am just not sure if I can wait that long.... I figure it may be Jan or Feb before I could take delivery, and I am pretty sure pricing and finance rates on the early models will not be great....
     
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    Dorman covers shipping 1305 total price after core return 975 core they pay all shipping mine been in 19 months now over 40 k miles .
     
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    How would it be more complicated than a Dorman battery?? That's just silly.
     
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    jadziasman Prius owner emeritus

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    Because the new Toyota battery from the stealership requires moving parts from a customer's old battery into the new one.

    And yes it is "silly" that Toyota makes stealership technicians (or DIY mechanics) do this.

    In reality, Toyota does not actually sell a completely brand new HV battery to you when you buy it.

    Making matters worse, Toyota has also begun reusing the case and maybe other parts from returned batteries.
    At this level these batteries are termed "remanufactured" even though they contain brand new modules - hopefully.
     
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    Has anyone opened one of these "new" 3 yr warranty packs and determined if all the modules are indeed new? @EricBecky?
     
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    jadziasman Prius owner emeritus

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    We have been anxiously awaiting someone willing to open the case on a reman but haven't got
    any DIY mechanics buy one yet AFAIC tell.

    From what I understand, the reman Toyota batteries are drop in units similar to Dorman. That may be incorrect.
    Who knows where they sourced the ECU, relays, and such for the remans - junk yards?

    These reman Toyota battery part numbers have the -84 remanufactured suffix. Toyota still sells the other type of "new"
    batteries. The remans are a little cheaper and only available in some US markets. They are much easier to install though if like the Dorman so I would buy one if I knew for sure the modules were brand new.
     
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    Gen 2 new cells are not made any more
     
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    All the more reason to use a Dorman.
     
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    I just installed a Dorman myself ... Why bother with Toyota.
     
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    Toyota is the only one who sells a battery with brand new modules. Dorman sells batteries with used modules of unknown vintage.

    While the Dorman battery has the same warranty, there's a good chance you will be replacing it with another (or three)
    during the warranty period.

    There's almost no chance that you would need to do replace the new Toyota battery during the first three years.
     
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    jadziasman Prius owner emeritus

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    You need to stop spreading misinformation already, kinglew.

    The Toyota replacement HV batteries contain brand new modules for the Gen 1, 2, 3, and 4 Prius.
    NP2 modules are installed in Gen 1 through 3 and Prius c replacement batteries.
    Don't know for certain if the NP2 is used in the Gen 4 nimh battery. The NP2.5 module is used in
    the Highlander.

    Primearth EV Energy is STILL producing the NP2 modules that Toyota (and only Toyota) can purchase and sell in a new battery.

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    Sorry its true
     
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    19 months 40k still going strong
     
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    Code from some recent Gen 2 Prius OEM packs
    When do you think these were mfg according to the date codes, kinglew?

    Case
    Part G9510-47031
    H251TAJ0019A​

    Modules
    151RLK
    060980
    B3​
    ****************
    Case
    Part G9510-47031
    H149SAJ0029A​

    Modules
    268Q2P
    04696K
    B4​
     
  15. jadziasman

    jadziasman Prius owner emeritus

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    Obviously, kinglew prefers his own delusions instead of facts. There are people like that. The type I tend
    to ignore when I tire of them. I wonder if there is a way......:love:
     
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    Sorry no delusions just base on fact sorry you dont belive.
     
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    Gen III cells can be used in Gen II cases.
     
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    You can give us 6 monthly updates starting in 17 months time, when the Dorman typically start to fail.

    Glad you are happy with your purchase so far.
     
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    I actually do not think this is silly at all.

    The re-use of non perishable components makes very good sense in the greater scheme from a re-cycle/re-use/less waste point-of-view.

    Provided the case (and other reused components) is of "as new" condition, or can be brought up to "as new" condition economically, then why not. The HV ECU has a very low rate of failure, so I wouldn't have any great concerns with those being reused, if, in fact, they are being recycled.

    If I could buy 28 brand new Primearth EV Energy NP2 modules (or even a proven 3rd party alternative), I would be more than happy to swap them into my existing case and reuse everything else. I'm not saying that is possible, just saying, if it were.

    The important thing with a Toyota reman unit is that the battery modules are NEW.

    This is the biggest difference between a Toyota and all the others.

    When making statements like this you need to be very careful to say exactly what you mean. Is 28 new modules not a new battery? What verified information do you have to be able to say Toyota do not use new modules?

    Toyota make a new and a remanufactured battery - what do you think is the difference?

    Personally, I am getting a bit over people (not looking at this poster) making claims and casting aspersions, but are not willing or able to actually back their claims.

    Repeating other people's unverified assertions is how urban legends start.
     
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    19 months still going
     
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